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The Summer I Turned Vulcan Season 3 Super Cut
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Welcome to another super cut! A super cut is a combination of all our thoughts on a specific show from previous episodes, cut together into one long episode. This week's super cut is extra special as it combines two of our favorite shows from 2025 into one super duper cut! That’s right, this is the summer I turned Vulcan, also known as The Summer I Turned Pretty season 3 and Star Trek Strange New Worlds (also) season 3!
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Hey everybody, and welcome to WeWatch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel. This is a supercut. It's the last supercut of 2025. It's the last episode of 2025, and we have a very special one for you today. As you're all aware, over the summer, Hope and I both had our shows that we wanted to watch, and we engaged in what we like to call the Summer I Turned of Vulcan. That's right. Star Trek Strange New World Season 3 and The Summer I Turned Pretty Season 3. Both dropped around the same time in the summer. We watched them together. We talked about them together. And now, here to celebrate the very end of the year, we're going to supercut them together. So this supercut is all of our conversations about The Summer I Turned Pretty and Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Both season three. So it just worked out really well. And we started our conversation, of course, with episode 112, The Summer I Turned Vulcan. Um I told you I found an Anakin. What? A crispy one. A crispy Anakin.
SPEAKER_04:Oh. You mean Darth Vader? Yeah. You, hmm. I really thought you were telling me that you found an Anakin and didn't buy it. I was going to I was gonna cancel this podcast and force choke. You turned her against me!
SPEAKER_01:Alright, everybody. So some television has been watched. Now, of course, if you listened to last week's episode, you'd know that I covered all the TV that we've been watching uh in in detail and read your commentary verbatim. So I don't really know how much we've got to talk about here, but I guess we'll go ahead and get started. Um, and you have watched another episode of this since that podcast, so I guess you've got some new stuff to talk about. The summer I turned pretty, season three, which is the final season. And we've got uh four episodes.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, so far on Amazon Prime, and you read my notes, but I I actually, when I wrote my notes, I was like, he's gonna instead of saying Jair, because you know that's what it is, I was like, Daniel's gonna make a funny and be like jerr. And it's like, do I know my husband or do I know my husband?
SPEAKER_01:One, I did pronounce it jer. Two, it wasn't a joke, because three, the letters J-E-R like that are pronounced.
SPEAKER_04:That it was Jair. You knew. No, I didn't. You knew. No, I didn't. You knew. I did like how you said this is a show, I'm not allowed to talk during it because you are like you'll come up, like one time he was trying to watch one of I I don't I think you're just up there eat eat with me, and forbid. You were like, you just started like talking during it, and like try like you were trying to commentate on the episode, and I was like, This is no talking zone. And I had to keep pausing it. I'm like, excuse me. Shh, shh, shh. This would be like basically the equivalent of how like one triho and the OC used to be for me when they would air, only I was so much more well fed by like 20 plus episode seasons with those, but this is like that for me. Like in like how early days of Grey's Anatomy used to be when it was really good. Like, do not talk to me while I watch this show. Your commentary is not appreciated. If you would like to speak about the episode after, you may do so.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I have a question before you proceed. Okay. Does she turn prettier every summer? Because I know it's three, the third season now, but it's each one is taking place during the summer. Okay, well. So she turns pretty one summer. Does she keep getting prettier each consecutive summer?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I guess, but that's not it's not the summer I turn. The summer I turn pretty is in the name of the first book. And then it's like, we'll always have summer or something. I don't remember what the names of the other two. So the the other two books are named something different, but they called the series The Summer I Turn Pretty. They weren't, we got season one all at once, and they kind of incorporated some elements of the other books into season one because they weren't sure that it was going to massively blow up and be such a hit. I read, I mean, the books are super easy. I think I read the first book in like a day. This is a rare, one of the rare instances where I can say, and I think I've said this before, that I do like the show better than the book. I think Belly, yes, that is her name. Her name is Isabel, but they call her Belly for some reason. I don't know why they don't call her Izzy. I think I know she's quirky, she's not like other girls. I don't know. They call her Belly. And Pork Belly. Oh, I'll also call her that. Um, but Belly in the show, and I've seen people complain about her, and yeah, she did really tick me off in the last episode, which I'll get to in a minute. But she is more of like agency, she's more like she's just she's a better character, I feel like, in the show than she is the books. And if you are just a show watcher, you might be like, oh my gosh, really? Yes. And I think a lot of that is because the actress, Lola Tan, is such a good actress, and they've given Belly a little bit more depth. Like all the characters, I think, have gotten a little bit more depth than what we got in the books. And almost and it's just it's it's one of those rare instances that like some of the stuff because the books are pretty like juvenile, and like some of the plot points they've changed a little bit um to make the show better, to make it more like a show. And Jenny Hahn, who wrote the books, also does the show, so that fits. So anyway, we got the first two episodes, which I believe you said. This is I think we it's finishing on I think September 17th will be the last episode. So we got the first two episodes, and then it's the painful weekly release, and it is a painful. I need to know why in shows like this where I am getting limited episodes, why are you giving me filler episodes? Why did I have to wait in the last episode like over 20 minutes for Conrad to be on my screen? That is stupid. If you're I'm fine with filler episodes when it's 20 plus seasons, this is dumb. They one of the things that they have done this season and they have chosen to give some other characters like like we're Taylor's mom. One, Taylor is in the books, but her character is very different on the show, and I didn't like her in the book, so I do like her better in the show. But I really don't care about her and her mom and her mom losing her salon. And I don't care about Steven's new co-worker. I don't care about these characters, they serve no purpose. I don't need them wasting screen time. So that's my biggest complaint so far about the season is why are we doing this? I'm really here to see the belly Jeremiah Conrad story. Well, really, Belly Conrad, because Jeremiah. I'm really here for that. That triangle. I'm gonna get that sound.
SPEAKER_01:That sound you just made right there is gonna be on the soundboard.
SPEAKER_04:I do like Steven and Taylor. I really came to like them as a couple last season, and that is one thing that I don't know because they were not, I mean, they think like they hooked up in the first book, but they were not a thing, they were not a romantic thing. I do believe that they will be end game because I think a lot of fans like them, but they're probably gonna make Steven Date his dumb, stupid co-worker, Denise. Denise. And I'm just not in I'm just not interested in that. It's just a waste. So I am a book reader. Obviously, I know how the books end. I am fully confident the show is going to end the way the books ended. Spoiler alert. Again, we are a spoiler podcast. Start away right now, skip to the next chapter. The books end with Belly and Conrad together because it is their story. All right. So right now she is with Jeremiah. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:No jerk.
SPEAKER_04:I don't, I'm not even gonna respond to that. I don't think that like they keep saying that they've changed the end. I think they're just changing the way they get to the end. I think in the a lot of people are really worried that Belly's gonna like pull a Kelly Taylor and like choose herself. I think she might do that, but that's not gonna, I think we're gonna have a time jump. Very like there was a time jump in the books as well. Like she and Conrad, there were several years removed before they got back together. They wrote letters. I think we're gonna do something similar to that. And I absolutely I think we're gonna get the Bon Rad Endgame, so I'm not really worried about that. I do think the execution, that's gonna be what is key. As a book reader, one of the things I hoped they would change was the wedding plot because she and Jeremiah get like engaged, and the only thing they changed about it is instead of like the two-year time jump, we got a four-year time jump. So they're 20. I think he's like 22, she's 21. Jeremiah party too much, couldn't be bothered to read an email, and now he's gonna have to repeat his senior or take not repeat his senior year of college, but he's gonna have to be a super senior and basically like stay for one more semester. Belly has one more year of school left, and I uh like some of the rare jellyfish, that's what their ship name is. Belly Jeremiah fans were like, I don't see why everybody's yeah, we don't like them. I don't see why everyone's freaking out about this, and like I feel like Laurel, Belly's mom, was like, you know, fine, wait a year then. Like, finish school. I know I can't talk much because you and I got married very young, but we were done with school. Okay, we weren't like we weren't in the middle of school, and this is clearly was an engagement after we had our we have ourselves a Ross Rachel situation on a break, breakup, whatever you want to call it, with Belly and Jeremiah. Yes, that did happen in the books. I thought that's something they might change.
SPEAKER_01:Uh uh just raise the way you flowed that last conversation for a second. I thought you were talking about us for a minute, and I was like, well, I don't remember any of that.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, no, not us. Belly Jeremiah, back to the characters. We have a Ross Rachel type situation on our hands with a break that did happen in the books. One of the things I thought for the show, I thought the show might change that a little bit because in the books it was almost like, oh wow, like Jeremiah's so like immature. You find out once he and Belly get together, she sees this other side of him. Cause she had really only seen like the fun, beachy vacation at their cousin's beach every summer. That's the name of the beach. They're not cousins, it's called Cousins Beach, so don't be snarky, Daniel. And I thought that they might like actually go easier on Jeremiah's character since they're trying to make it a mystery, and there are a lot of people that do like those two together. No, they went harder at it, like they made it worse. They made the whole like cheating. I don't I personally would consider it cheating, and I was always on Rachel's side too. Because to me, if you truly love somebody so much like that, you're not gonna go out and like sleep with the first thing that you see within five seconds. So whatever you wanna do, I don't, you know, argue, argue without what you want. That's still a very hurtful thing. So Jeremiah in the books only like cheated like one time, like he hooked up with the same person twice in Cabo in the show, and they're just making it way worse. They made the proposal way worse because they had Steven get in an accident, he's fine. So he like proposes to her like outside of the hospital, like talk about manipula emotional manipulation. Like it's just mm-hmm. And I feel like with the fandom that most people are on the right side of history, Team Conrad, because it's ultimately their story. Like Belly is still in love with Conrad, duh. Like they still, like, there's still feelings there. And a lot of the people that like Jeremiah, I think, like him because the actor's cute, and it's just like a lot of younger kids, like people that are watching it, not with like life experience. I haven't seen a lot of grown-ups that like that ship. So whatever. I I think they're like, I'm I was actually surprised. That's my biggest take. I was like, wow, they're going worse on Jeremiah than I thought. Then I thought then they actually had him be supportive about Belly getting um a summer abroad, not a summer, a year abroad in Paris. And they flipped that in the last episode where Belly was like, you know what, I don't want to leave you. I think I'm gonna stay. And he's like, Oh, good, I want you to stay. And I'm like, oh So, my millennial heart as a woman, I'm taken back to a little show I like to call The Hills, which was a spinoff of Laguna Beach, where Lauren Conrad, last name not related to Conrad of the show, she will always be the girl that didn't go to Paris, and she chose to stay with Jason, who is not she is not with to this day, instead of going to Paris. My my millennial people know what I'm talking about. But anyway, all that being said, I'm still really enjoying the show. I think it's just gonna be a little painful for a minute. We had the whole episode reveal in episode, I think it was episode three, where they revealed the engagement and everyone like flipped out about it. And Adam, that's Conrad and Jeremiah's dad, who is played by the drummer from Ooh, that thing you do. I usually hate Adam, but the way he was clocking Jeremiah left and right, he's like, How are you gonna pay for that? With what? And it was just funny. Anyway, I think their dad is really mean and a jerk, but that he did serve some reality truths there. The last episode probably is where the first time Belly's really made me mad in the show because I didn't, I felt like she and Jeremiah were like mean, like to Conrad. Like they basically, Belly has a fit, she runs out of the house because Laurel's still not supportive of the marriage, so they go to the beach house. And Conrad's been hanging out at the beach house because he came home for the memorial, got this news dump like dumped on him that his brother is like engaged to his ex-girlfriend. And he's just been out there like trying to, you know, get his head right before he flies back out, and he has to see them, and he tells Jeremiah basically, and he's trying to eyes, he's like, It's a little ridiculous that you guys are like not willing to wait. Like, why are you want to get married? And they're like, they were like making fun of him, like out by the pool. But because Conrad is the better man, he's in therapy, he's trying to get better. He uh overhears Belly crying in her room after Jeremiah leaves, because he knows you know, Belly's obviously upset. Like every girl like wants their mom with them to do a wedding dress shopping to help to be there for their wedding. He hears her cry, and you see him be like, uh So he decides to not fly back to California because that's where he is. He's like in med school, basically, gonna be a doctor. We love that for him. And he ends up staying, makes Belly her favorite muffins for her birthday, and Jeremiah's already gone back to work at his like dad's company or something because his dad's like lifeguarding's not gonna pay the wedding bills, blah blah blah. And Belly's like, Oh, you remembered it was my birthday, and he's like, I always remember, and they hug, and in that hug, that 20-second hug, I was finally well fed as a fan, and you hear the actor that plays Conrad say, What have I done? So we're finally gonna get our Conrad narr narrated episode. And the books did that too. Almost all the books are from Belly's perspective, but in book two, you had a couple chapters that was Jeremiah's perspective, and then in the third book, you had Conrad's perspective. So I've been waiting for this for like three seasons on the show, and I feel like we've had to suffer through these first like four episodes and barely gotten any Conrad interactions and all these side plots, and I feel like we're finally gonna get a good episode. So I had to get all that off my chest because the summer I turn Vulcan, I mean the summer I turn pretty is back. So anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and use that as a segue, unless you have anything to say about my show.
SPEAKER_01:I have two things to say about your show. First, a 20-second hug, that's a really long hug.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know if it was 20 seconds, but it it was a it was like they're just their chemistry, they are like connected. It is their story. Like he challenges her. I was just he makes it better. Oh, you were just being sarcastic? Well, I'm trying to be nice because I'm very passionate about it.
SPEAKER_01:The second item is um Is Jeremiah a bullfrog by chance? Hey everybody, guess what? We're Jeremiah sucks. We've been watching Star Trek. Yeah. If you can't tell. If you can't tell how much by how much Star Trek started the conversation here.
SPEAKER_04:So in the summer, I turned Vulcan, excuse me, Star Trek Strange New Worlds, season three. I pretty much agreed with what you said in your solo episode. I did not, once again, the premiere was a bust for me. It just was it was it was like we had that. I wish they would just include that at the end of season two, but I guess they had to sizzle us. It just felt very flat. But one of the criticisms that I had of it was that um Battel.
SPEAKER_00:Battel, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's not Patel, it's Battel. Battel. Um, why am I losing his Captain Pike? Captain Pike. I was about to say the guy from the Britney Spears movie. Because Captain Pike is in Crossroads, a great movie with Britney Spears and Gamora, by the way. Gamora's in that from Guardians of the Galaxy. Anyway, anyway, his boo, like she we thought she might die, we thought she might live. And it seemed like they put just like a tight little, you know, cute little bow in it and sewed it up. And I was like, well, that was too easy. Well, it's not too easy. That's gonna be a through plot because they're clearly having she like rejected one of the treatments, so they're gonna have to try to like do something else to get this like gorn like out of her or whatever, and Gorn is like the big monsters or something that they were fighting. So I respect that from a plot perspective, but that's still gonna be like a through line. Erica um clearly had PTSD from that finale, we're getting captured by the Gorn. I think that's gonna be a through line, but the through lines are fine when I have my mess around episodes and just fun. And I felt like that uh episodes two, um, and even three in a way. Three's where we got more informational battel, but there was still fun stuff in it. Um really rebounded nicely. And then, of course, the recent most recent episode we watched four was hilarious. Before I get into what I really want to talk about, Star Trek, what what do you have to say? I know you kind of already talked about those first.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I'm happy with the season so far. Uh like I said last week, I I've never been a huge fan of the second part of a two-part episode, particularly when that happens to be like part one was the finale of a season and part two is the start of a new season. Like, what, two years? Yeah, because like it's just I don't know. I don't feel like I've ever been fully satisfied with the conclusion of the part two. And in and I'm not talking just about Star Trek, I'm talking like in general, I just feel like I've never they've never paid off that cliffhanger, and it's always just ended up being a cheap, like, make sure you come back next season kind of a ploy to get people to come back, which I don't think was ever the case for this show. That they were already filming or trying to film season three when season two aired, and then of course the strike shut stuff down and all that happened. So but no, but but I think it's rebounded. The the three episodes after that have been exactly what I want out of this show.
SPEAKER_04:And you got Q.
SPEAKER_01:Got Q. That was great, that was awesome.
SPEAKER_04:That was we had a little okay. Alright. Alright, let's get into it. Good for it. Chapel. Nurse Chapel comes back with this man. What's his name? Dr. Corby.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Can I just say that Dr. Corby, I think like he is a creepy teacher. I think he groomed her and played on her. Talk about emotional manipulation in another show. Like she was grieving like the loss of her mother or something, or a sad experience. I don't know what it was. And he used that to boo her up. I just I don't under that just why that the whole relationship I know that they are canon in the original series, but just the way they introduced it and explain why suddenly she went from being super into Spock, broke up with Spock to go do this internship fine or fellowship fine, you know, she's advancing in her career, that's great. But like she basically emotionally closed off from relationships and then shows up with this this man with not telling anybody about it, not mentioning it to Spock, and we're all just supposed to sit here and be like, okay. Then we find out he's was basically like her teacher. Um, hello, can we say, you know, groom casual grooming, maybe? I'm not into it. I'm mad.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I think you're kind of supposed to be mad about it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but am I supposed to? I felt like they they want us to be like chill with this character.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with the character. I think your character is really boo her up. I think okay, I think your characterization of of grooming is going a bit far. They're both people in their at least late twenties. Maybe even early thirties.
SPEAKER_04:Student, there is a power dynamic at play. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:The person running the fellowship and she's attending the fellowship of adults. I think there's a I think it's a little bit different than how you're characterizing it, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_03:So you ship them?
SPEAKER_01:I didn't say that.
SPEAKER_03:But that's okay though, because I've moved on.
SPEAKER_01:I only ship the USS Enterprise NCC 1701, ma'am.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, I ship like everybody. But I guess that Spock has become like the community bicycle of Star Trek. So, and you know what? I'm down for it. I I said so last season. I said, well, these characters look hot together. So Spock and Leon, Leon, is am I saying her name right?
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, he was like tea she was teaching him how to dance last season, and they've had some scenes, and I remember remarking about their chemistry. Then they had another scene after, you know, Chapel and the whole like wedding, because we had like a fake wedding tobacco because Q was going to mess around. And I'm like, are they Am I reading too much into this? Are they hinting at something? Yes. Can we say so? In the most recent episode, they kissed.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm like, oh you had um, can I say a re like I the only I've seen you have that reaction in like again shows like One Tree Hill, A Summer I Turn Pretty, that kind of show. You had that reaction to a Star Trek.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't I had to because it was like, oh my gosh, I got this. And I guess online the fandom is really split on it, but I like it. I'm down for it. I think right now they are both like kind of in an emotional place because she obviously was into Kirk.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:He clearly has had his heart broken. So I'm not I don't they're obviously we know they're not like an in-game situation, but I think they're making Spock like this for a purpose, and I think something's gonna happen when this show ends, why he's gonna close himself off a little more to some relationships. It's very interesting, too, that eventually we know Spock's gonna be into Jim Kirk, and that's like Leon's into Kirk, like maybe that's like the tie. Because I've suddenly after I paused, lingered too long on a Star Trek edit on TikTok. Now I'm getting all kinds of like Spock, Kirk. You're not ignoring them.
SPEAKER_01:You sent one to me.
SPEAKER_04:I did. I sent you one with uh She's got away. It was good, it was good edit with Spock and Kirk, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:What do you think of the two of them together? I think they look good together. I'm for it. I'm all for it. Chapel's off with that stupid man.
SPEAKER_01:It's ultimately doomed.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but so so what?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I felt like while I liked Spock and Chapel, I honestly think, and I felt less in season one that the actors have better. He they those two actors, Spock and Leon, have like better chemistry.
SPEAKER_01:I do agree with you that they look hot. I think the way they're gonna explain it, storytelling-wise, is like both of them are people who are like yeah, kind of going through some rejection at the moment. So uh I did have a note um that you had me write down about Star Trek male nurse onesie.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so when Chapel wears the onesie, it didn't look as weird to me. The male nurse that they have in it, it looks like like he's in like a baby's outfit. Like, you know, like a it just doesn't look it looks weird. It looks odd. So speaking of the medical staff, Dr. Mbega?
SPEAKER_05:Mbenga.
SPEAKER_04:Mbenga, do we think we're gonna see his why his eventual exit would play out from being in charge? Because he just straight up admitted that he killed that clean own guy and didn't care, and that was what like season two. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I think that they have to start like so we know that there's a fourth season and a shortened fifth season, and that's gonna be it. And from what the showrunner has said, is the like the last thing you're gonna see at the end of this series is Kirk, Kirk's first day.
SPEAKER_04:So can I please get McCoy?
SPEAKER_01:Couple things that have to happen. By the time Kirk is it has his first day, and Benga is not the chief medical officer. Now, he is still on the Enterprise, or at least comes on the Enterprise occasionally because he is in original series episodes. Um McCoy's also not there necessarily at the very beginning of original series. I think I I have trouble believing they won't get him in there sometime, either in season four or in season five. I really have a lot of trouble with that.
SPEAKER_04:What's a particular actor? Like if you think of any actor right now off the top of your head, because I have one, I have one who I would pick for McCoy.
SPEAKER_01:I can't think of anybody for McCoy right now off the top of my head.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, hear me out. You're you're gonna I'm gonna say the actor's name and you're gonna be like who? And then I'll tell you what show he's in. Jake Johnson, Nick from New Girl. I think would make a fantastic McCoy for the age range that we'd be looking at. Grumpy. Still funny. I think he could play like because we don't, we we won't, we don't want someone too old, and he's older, like he would be age appropriate.
SPEAKER_01:McCoy is a little bit older than Kirk.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but I think Jake Johnson's probably a little bit older than Paul Wesley.
SPEAKER_01:I think I could maybe see it. I don't know. Uh he's gonna be a good one.
SPEAKER_04:I think that's that's in my head, that's what it's working for me.
SPEAKER_01:I've never seen him do any acting acting. I guess you did.
SPEAKER_04:We watched him in that movie Let's Be Cops.
SPEAKER_01:Again, I've never seen him do any acting acting. I've always seen him doing comedy acting, and I think to do this show you'd need to be a little bit more than just a comedy ha ha actor.
SPEAKER_04:I think he just had serious scenes.
SPEAKER_01:He also would have to work on a bit of an accent.
SPEAKER_04:My friends call me gay Nick.
SPEAKER_01:I don't hate it, but I also don't think that's gonna happen. I think that they'll pull some. Well, I don't think they're gonna cast him though. Yeah, I think they'll pull some especially, especially you gotta remember, depending on how like all this shakes out, it it might they're not gonna spend a ton of time getting a big actor who's only gonna do the role like two episodes and then show it. He's not gonna come in for two episodes of a show of the end of a Star Wars track show.
SPEAKER_04:You know what I wish they would have done though? I really wish they would have just let Paul Wesley play Sam too with a fake mustache. That would have been funny.
SPEAKER_01:That would have been funny.
SPEAKER_04:Or gotten like Ian Summerholder, who, you know, obviously is Stefan and Damon to come on there. Um so the last episode was a we got a h- is that our first holodeck?
SPEAKER_01:Uh that is canonically the first holodeck in Star Trek.
SPEAKER_04:Do you want to explain what the holodeck is briefly? Explain it in two sentences.
SPEAKER_01:I feel stupid uh explaining this to people. Like go watch Star Trek. Um the holodeck is a holographic simulation that you can walk into and it will transport it, it doesn't it it transforms the room into wherever you've got to be able to do it. Like they've done like Sherlock Holmes stuff before. And fake people like and holograms show up in it as people, and it always turns into a mess around because they're supposed to be safety protocols, but they never work. It never works.
SPEAKER_04:We got a little bit more Scotty trying to fix it, but we had Leon go in there, and she's basically being like a detective. So they basically, I felt like it got very meta, like trying to do like a cheesy version of Star Trek. And they had Kirk played by Paul Wesley in the episode, and he was just overkill with the brooding faces. And can I just say that Paul Wesley has made Instagrams before where he makes fun of Ian Summerholder's like sexy Damon face, and he was absolutely making that face where and you've seen, you know him talking about Damon, Ian Summerholder, the broody face.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'm aware.
SPEAKER_04:Does that not look like Alan? I feel like Paul was like straight up like doing that face that he does when he makes fun of Ian, um, you know, who played his brother on the TV show The Vampire Diaries. I felt like he was doing that when he was like serving looks, like Stefusy. If you know, you know Vampire Diaries girlies.
SPEAKER_00:I wish I didn't know.
SPEAKER_04:You do, you do, because one time Daniel was like, What does Stafussie mean? And I'm like, oh I thought it was good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I uh no, the whole episode was good. This was my favorite episode of the season so far. Same, agreed. It's up there in the top, not just Strange New Worlds episodes, but probably Star Trek episodes. I just thought it was really good. I really enjoyed too the kind of meta commentary on Star Trek itself because the the whole episode kind of revolved the hollow the holodeck mystery revolved around a a cancelled a C a sixties sci-fi show being cancelled, and the the actress that plays Horror got to give a speech about why, you know, this is was important and why it needs to be given a chance. And it resonates really felt very much like what that's what it meant to people in the 60s, what Star Trek meant to people in the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s when people were watching it. And so I thought that it was really well done. It was funny, it was entertaining, it was a great episode.
SPEAKER_04:And it's a way one of my questions, while I love Paul Wesley and I like seeing Kirk was how often are we gonna be able to realistically work Kirk into these storylines? That's a way that you and I'm sure he is gonna show up as Kirk, real Kirk in the scenes, but that's a way that you can get him in to come do like one of those mess around episodes. I'm gonna say my main complaint about Star Trek before we move on, what are we doing with these wigs? Una's wig looked just terrible. Like, can we just let Rebecca Romain wear her blonde hair and be like, Una got a makeover or something like that?
SPEAKER_01:You're talking specifically about the um third episode.
SPEAKER_04:I think it was the third one where she had like an updo and it looked like it looked bad. Even you were like, that is a bad wig. Why? Why are we having such bad wigs?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know. It was it was it was not a good one.
SPEAKER_04:Do you uh wigs?
SPEAKER_01:I really have been irritated by your in the same way I've ruined movies for you with with ruined with ADR and a couple of other things. I you ruined wigs for me because you told me the trick to figuring out if it's a wig or not. Um I don't like it.
SPEAKER_04:And there are some really good wigs and there are some bad wigs. I don't know what's gonna happen in the next episode. I'm really excited for some of the things. Dr. Corby shows back up. Yeah. I really like I I want I want some more Spock smooching. I don't know why people are so there's people that are really into it, and then there's other people that are really about it, but um I'm down for it. I think it's all gonna serve a purpose. I think because we're seeing a more emotionally open Spock than what we've seen him in other things. I think I think the end of this show, something is gonna happen. I I predict that sadly Leon might be the one that dies. Maybe she makes a sacrifice, maybe that impacts him. I don't know, whatever it is. I hope she doesn't. I hope she goes on and has a thriving career and we've just never heard of her before on the original series. But I think something's gonna go down that's gonna impact Spock a little bit. And I think I think I don't think this is just being done because Ethan Peck is hot, the guy that plays him, and we want to show him kissing people. But guess what, guys, Star Trek fans? To you and to all of all, you know, maybe one of you out there that like Star Trek like Daniel, the way to get me to watch is to put in romance.
SPEAKER_01:We continued our conversation in episode 113, Wednesday. Okay, well, that brings us around to a couple things we've been watching. Uh, of course, you everybody here is aware we've been watching uh The Summer I Turned Vulcan. I mean, The Summer I Turned Pretty and Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Uh both of those just got one episode over the last week that we've watched. Um, any anything in particular you wanted to point out about one of those two shows?
SPEAKER_04:Yes, it was the best episode of The Summer I Turn Pretty to date. We got we finally got Conrad's point of view and Team Jellyfish, y'all are cooked. Because you were even watched a little bit with me and you were like, Oh, she needs to be with Conrad. You said that.
SPEAKER_00:Did I? Okay.
SPEAKER_04:And so it was a great episode. I it just it's clear to me who Belly has a connection with. I do not like the thought of Denise and Steven getting together, but I'm sure they will. But I've hoped that Steven and Taylor will be in-game. And it was just really nice to finally see Conrad's point of view, not to see these useless side plots. Because again, I don't want filler episodes and short seasons. Uh Strange and New Worlds, great. Loved it. We had the whole uh Leon and Spock kiss. They absolutely addressed that. Chapel knows about it. So we got ourselves a little awkward love square thing going on, and all those people had to work on a mission together.
SPEAKER_00:And you loved it.
SPEAKER_04:And I loved every second of it. And I'm just excited for more Star Trek. Did you what did you have anything particularly?
SPEAKER_01:Um the only thing I want to say was I was very I'm I am interested. The the way they're keeping Captain Battel's story going instead of just putting that away and going moving forward is interesting to me. And it feels it does feel like they're weaving that story towards a big something. I don't know what it's gonna be. It's been a really good through plot. Yeah, but it's a throughplot that they've kept going and they've k and they and this episode in particular, I think, really added a level of intrigue to it. Absolutely. Um, with what like why does this ancient being that was trapped in this temple suddenly know that she's got a gorn inside of her? Like that was that that's um that is intriguing, and I want to interested to see how it plays out.
SPEAKER_04:My complaint of that for opener episode was well, they tied that up with a neat bow, but they didn't, and they're really going for it, and yeah, I'm excited for that as well.
SPEAKER_01:We continued on with our summer I turned Vulcan series in episode 115. Marvin takes over.
SPEAKER_04:We actually did watch some TV. We've been watching some TV, and there's a lot of things cooking for our The Summer I Turn Vulcan kind of miniseries, which is the Summer I Turn Pretty season three and Star Trek Strange New Worlds season three. Let's go ahead and kick it off with the summer I turn pretty first, because I got a lot to say.
SPEAKER_01:Before you set get into like that specific show, I just want to say that like when we started when we came up with the summer I turned Vulcan thing before we'd even watched an episode of either of the shows because like we just saw that they were both coming out at the same time and we're like, ha ha, what a funny joke.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:As the Star Trek season has gone on, it has been kind of strange how relationship focused the show has been to the point where it's like really is matching the energy of the theme that we're going with here. And I just wanted to remark that that's been a very interesting and delightful uh development.
SPEAKER_04:It has been, and I'll get a little bit more into how on the nose that's been when we talk about Star Trek, but we're talking about Summer I Turn Pretty first.
SPEAKER_00:What's belly up there?
SPEAKER_04:A lot's been happening, guys. So the last couple episodes have been the best of the season. I think the last one I talked about on the show was Conrad's point of view episode. We have since had the Bachelor Bachelorette parties. Um that episode was fantastic. Now, I I don't know if Daniel's gonna have time to find the clip. Roll the clip if it exists.
SPEAKER_00:He's not.
SPEAKER_04:So he's not. Okay, so apparently you can roll clips of me when I say out-of-pocket things, but can't find something of yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:But Daniel asked me when we were talking about the summer I turned pretty earlier, and he's like, and I was talking about Jeremiah Fisher, and he's like, was Jeremiah a bullfrog? So Q, the Bachelor episodes, and they're at Jeremiah's Bachelor party, and suddenly on the um speaker comes, Jeremiah was a bullfrog, and I about off the couch. And I'm like, How do you do that? So in that episode, we finally have Conrad learns about the cheating, the on a break, the cabo situation that Jeremiah inflicted upon Belly. He doesn't know that Belly knows, but then Conrad decides he's gonna lay it all out there. He sees Belly on the beach. She was supposed to meet Jeremiah, but shocker, shocker, man-child Jeremiah is passed out drunk. And Conrad says, you know, I still love you, and it was iconic, such an amazing scene. And Belly at her bachelorette party was dancing around to the Ariana Grand song, like we can't be friends, and basically had like an edit montage of Conrad in her head, and then she's in there in the bathroom because all the girlies, we always have our deep, serious talks in the bathroom, and she's like, I didn't picture any of this. I always pictured Conrad, and it's like, oh, but of course, when Conrad made the confession, Belly was like, No, how could you say this? Which, you know, it is kind of weird that he says it like two nights before her like wedding, like that's when he decides to come clean with his feelings. So she's like, Don't talk to me about this, blah, blah, blah. And that pretty much played out like the book. So then the next episode, which felt like an actual movie, the best episode I've ever seen of the series, it is the rehearsal weekend, and finally, war is over. Belly and Jeremiah are done. Woo! Oh, that also happened last week. The wedding's off, Belly and Jeremiah aren't getting married, Travis and Taylor are engaged, pumpkin spice, college football, Sabrina's album. Amazing. So it pretty much played out very similarly to how it does in the books. Um, and I think that the the few of you, the weirdos that ship Jelly, Jeremiah, and Belly, I think you guys have to be glad at how they did this episode because I felt that it did show that there was true love there. Their goodbye scene was really meaningful. I mean, it even had me feeling sorry for Jeremiah at one point and actually shedding tears for him. There's this whole plot about the letters in the book. Susanna, the the Jeremiah and Conrad's mom who passed away, she had written them letters for the wedding. Somehow the letters got mixed up. And that scene where Jeremiah's picking up his letter and he realizes he accidentally has Conrad's letter pretty much solidified because she basically was like, I've never seen you, you know. Susanna from the grave is like, I'm got I can't this wedding can't happen. So, like from the beyond, she's you know, making sure. I okay. Anyway, she's it was like, I've never seen you as happy as when you were in love with Belly, and you in the whole, like the way imagine even somebody like Jeremiah, who's a man child, and it just feels like everything's against you. You found out that your own brother confessed to love to your fiance. You still think your fiance's in love with your brother, and you're right about it. Your own dad doesn't like you, and then you're looking for comfort from your mother from the beyond, and you get that letter. And I thought that Gavin, who plays um Jeremiah, acted well. Honestly, all three of the leads of the main cast were phenomenal. They made it emotional, they made it great. Uh Taylor, I feel very vindicated about that. Taylor's my girl. I did not like Taylor in the books, love Taylor in the show, and she's always been kind of like a jelly shipper until she realized, because I feel like she was always like that because she only saw Conrad with the information Belly was giving her. And she wanted, you know, what's best for her friend. And she gets so, but now that she's hearing Belly say, like, I've only pictured Conrad and she knows that Jeremiah cheated and all these things. Taylor, like, right before the wedding, sorry, am I boring you, Marvin? Marvin just yawned. I don't know if that's on camera. Taylor's like, Are you sure you want to do this? Like, I I don't think you should do this. She's like, You guys are so codependent on each other, which they are. Belly and Jeremiah. So the whole crux of their relationship is they leaned on each other after Susanna's death. And I feel like it's almost like that child petulance of, you know, like, what does Frazier say in that episode? It's because I love her. He's gonna commit to being in love. That's what it's giving. That's what it's giving. And I was so glad because people have just like crapped on Taylor all season. And then I was also really glad about Steven, that's Belly's brother. Everyone's always been like, Steven is such a bad friend to Jeremiah. No, he's not. Like, he actually stood up for Jeremiah and actually told Conrad, like, hey, what are you doing? He's like, We haven't heard from you. Why are you doing all this now? And did does he have all the facts? Of course he doesn't. But to the outside person, what Conrad did isn't great. The timing was bad. So Steven proved to be a great brother to Belly. And also, oh my gosh, I was so worried with Steven and Denise. That's like their co worker. I was so worried that they were gonna worry they're gonna put them together. They had Have them kiss and they're like, uh, not feeling it at all. And so Staler's back on Steven and Taylor love that. Well, anyway, the wedding does not go through. Jeremiah basically says, you know, you can't marry me to erase him, which is very similar to what they say in the book. So Belly is going to Paris. And guess what? As a book reader, we're done with the book. There's only like the little page, like the two seconds to flash forward in that book left. And we have three more episodes, including the episode that's already dropped, and you crazy people that get up at 4 a.m., you've already watched it. You know what happens. I think we're gonna have an Emily in Paris type thing, but Belly in Paris.
SPEAKER_01:Bonjour.
SPEAKER_04:I do worry that this first app, because we we got that extra episode, which seemed weird, 11 episodes. I'm not sure we're seeing any of the other cast, including Conrad. I think it might just be Belly forming her own friendships. They're gonna have a time jump. Now she did see Conrad at the airport before she was getting ready to go to Paris. Don't ask me why the gate to um California would be right beside the gate to get on an international flight, but it's TV magic. I think they're gonna lock eyes and she's gonna get on that plane. Or I think she's he's not even gonna see her and she's gonna get on that plane because at this point, Conrad thinks she's married to his brother. So we have a lot, a lot, a lot um of content left to fill that we didn't get in the books. And I'm excited to see where the show goes. Marvin is clearly over it and is like, why is mommy so animated? But I'm really looking forward to seeing how these next few episodes of the Summer I Turn Pretty turn out. I've been kind of given just like random little updates on this show, but I had to talk a lot because those that that episode was amazing. And a lot of you guys have been messaging me, asking me my thoughts on it. So here, those are my thoughts. I think it's gonna play out very similarly to the book, but we're gonna actually get to see more development of Belly's, you know, life away finally from these brothers. I think she will date, you know, somebody else just like she does in the book. And I I'm not worried at all about Conrad and Belly being in-game. I don't think she's gonna ultimately choose herself. Maybe they won't get married like they do at the end of the book, but I think they'll be together, and I think we're gonna be fine. And if not, we ride we ride at dawn.
SPEAKER_01:Well, thank goodness for all of that. Um Star Trek also.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. So speaking of the summer I turned Vulcan, we really all did turn Vulcan.
unknown:Yeah, they did.
SPEAKER_04:So that's what I meant by oh in the nose. We had an entire, I think that was the most recent episode where they all, I don't know why, they kind of had a throwaway line about why they all had to be involved in this. It was for the bit. Yeah. But it was incredible, the perfect type of mess around. We also had another episode, which I don't think we've talked about yet, with um one of the previous ones with Kirk, that was Kirk Focused.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And they were going over to help his ship, and they intentionally had it with Scotty and Ahura, right?
SPEAKER_01:And Spock and Chappelle.
SPEAKER_04:Spock and Chapel, because they're all the original crew.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:So um that show, yeah, relationships, lots of drama. We have Spock and Leon. Lawn, am I saying her? I still think that Spock and Chapel have a thing, even though Chapel's with that doctor guy. I think that Kirk still likes Lawn. And that she's and she'd be down. I don't know. It's it's a there's a lot going on. Like, I feel like there's as much relationship drama right now in Star Trek as I do the summer I turn pretty.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, definitely. I've been enjoying the season uh so far. I think we've lost a little bit of the plot from early in the season where we were dealing a lot more with Battel and her kind of like what was going on with the the Gorn DNA in her than these last episodes. But again, it's Star Trek. I want it to be episodic, so I want each episode to kind of be its own thing. Yeah. And with a little bit of like continuing story going through it, but for the most part, it's its own thing, and they've been doing that.
SPEAKER_04:And they did sprinkle that in with the Vulcan episode because they had she's trying to get reinstated, not necessarily be a captain, but to work again. And she had they had that other Vulcan guy had to come over that uh Pike apparently just does not like. Yeah, but because Pike was in his Vulcan form when he came over, he thought all these things, and then it caused Patel to actually just like snap and be like, Oh my gosh, you guys are driving me nuts. And they were like, Oh, you know, it to be, you know, in this role, you need to speak freely, and that's what she did. I think that they will circle back. I think that's probably gonna be what the finale. We have two more episodes.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:I think that'll be something dealing with Patel is gonna be part of that finale, and her the whole DNA thing and the whole Gorn thing.
SPEAKER_01:I think they will see that through, and that's gonna be here's my big question for you about that character, because you said to me after that last episode, you're actually starting. She's actually starting to become one of your favorite characters.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, she's she cooked. She's cooked. She's cooked, unfortunately. They're giving her a personality.
SPEAKER_01:She doesn't have the plot armor.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we're getting to know her more. Well, that's what concerns me so much with the series as a whole, as that lawn doesn't have plot armor either. Yeah. We're being barked at right now by Marvin. He's like, enough Star Trek talk.
SPEAKER_01:We'll stop talking about Star Trek. In episode 116, Wednesday part two, we continued the conversation.
SPEAKER_04:All right, speaking of weekly release, um, let's return to our the Summer I Turn Vulcan series, where we talk about Star Trek Strange New Worlds, season three, and the summer I turn pretty season three. Since the finale is airing this week for Star Trek, we will kick it off with Star Trek Strange New Worlds. I will let you go first because I have some beef and I am very upset with that show.
SPEAKER_01:Ladies and gentlemen, we got her. We got her to be so emotionally Almost broke my glasses. So emotionally invested in a Star Trek episode that she made me pause it and she stormed out of the room, went to the kitchen, snacked on some food for a few minutes to cool off before we could finish the episode. Thank you. My job here is done.
SPEAKER_04:I hate you for that. I almost broke my glasses. I was so upset at the ending. They have me literally mad. My favorite character on the show tends to be Lon. And like she's like she's been bugging me this season anyway, even though I did kind of like her and Spock hooking up. I just feel like her personality is just like some of the character growth that she showed in the previous season, I feel like they've retracted that a little bit. She really when she and Chapel had that conversation and Chapel's just trying to be nice and not make it awkward that you know, like, hey, like good for you and Spock, Lawn gave seriously like pick me, not like I'm not like other girls energy, and I can't stand it when women do that. So I was already irritated by that. But I'll say why I'm mad at Lawn in a minute. But I was so mad, and then like also, you know, ladies, that was an emotional week for me, the build-up to a certain thing. So I already had that going for me. Um I don't I I cried, and it was I was very upset.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I'll tell everybody.
SPEAKER_04:I told you I was gonna quit watching too. I might not I might not tune in Thursday.
SPEAKER_01:Is this your favorite episode of Strange New Worlds?
SPEAKER_04:It's not my favorite. My favorite is still the musical episode from season two. But if I were to take a step back and rate what I think is the best episode, it would be this one.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So this was a classic sci-fi trope episode where Ortegas, our favorite pilot of the ship, um ends up stranded on a strange alien planet, and oh my gosh, she meets a Gorn who's been the big bad of Strange New Worlds and is also stranded there. And it's the classic sci-fi trope of the alien and the human have to they they they're they're adversaries, but they uh slowly as the episode goes along, they learn to work together to the point where they form a friendship, and then as you know, that so they finally figure out a way to you know message the Enterprise. The Enterprise comes to pick them up, and when they come out of the place where they've been hiding, Ortega comes out, the Gorn follows, Leon Leon has just beamed in, she sees a Gorn and just pumps three shots of Fazer right into the Gorn. No questions, no questions about that.
SPEAKER_04:She's not even seeing Ortega smiling at her, just completely knee-jerk reaction. And I know that Lon has a lot of childhood beef with a Gorn. I get it. But literally, like she kind of proved like Ortega's brother that was doing that like documentary, yeah, was trying to talk some of the bad side of Starfleet. And like, I think I believe Lon was one of the characters, like sometimes you guys just shoot with Adelaide's again. Like, he like she just proved his point. She it made me so mad because like you could see that Ortega was smiling, that she wasn't in danger, and the other ones had their guns, I think, ready to shoot. But Lon just like did it no, no questions asked, nothing, no time to think. And maybe she's like, No, I was doing my job, the Gorn are evil. So I guess you could defend her that way. But it broke my heart because y'all, enemies to lovers, it also works with friends. Anytime, like, like, so yes, the enemies to lovers is my favorite romance trope, but I also love friendships also being formed from like some of my best my best friendships in real life started off with I thought you were the B-word, like a B-I-T-C-H. Like, and when people say that to me too, and then we end up like being best besties, like some of my some of my top friendships have come from like I didn't like that person, they didn't like me, and then we ended up like, oh, like realizing like, oh, maybe we are that way, but we don't have to be that way to each other, and we can be fun and bond over it. And one, I was really excited to get an Erica um focused episode because it's you can I knew we were gonna get one this season.
SPEAKER_01:Like, she's had prominent roles in other episodes, but I think this might be her first, like actual real Erica.
SPEAKER_04:This was her first full-blown A-plot. Erica leads the episode, and I knew it was coming. I didn't know it would be this good. And I I feel like there was this scene where they were communicating, and she's like, it's gonna say like agree, disagree, and it was just funny, like the bat the banter back and forth, and it really it got you to like understand that you know, maybe like we were you know made to be like enemies, but we have a lot more in common than we think. And I knew realistically that there we weren't gonna have a Gorn walking around the Enterprise, but I thought maybe like the Gorn would like do a sacrifice or something, or maybe they would part ways and help her out. Like, I was ext I was just devastated, I was gutted, I was like Erica at the end of that, like just just straight.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh the the I like I went going in as soon as I recognized the trope of the episode. I knew that Gorn wasn't making it out of there. But like you said, I was willing to accept you know that heroic sacrifice, but for to just get gunned down like that was really brutal. And and and I I'm gonna say it right now. I'm gonna be disappointed in the writers if that's just forgotten. Yeah, I like that better come up as a contention point between Ortega's and Lon in future episodes, maybe not necessarily the next episode because it's the season finale, but certainly into season four. Um, that needs to come up as a point of contention.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because her conversation with Ahura at the end where she was like, Well, the Gorn became my friend, but Lon is also my friend, and I don't know how to feel about it. That to me is not enough to put closure on that. I would have liked Londa at least said she was sorry, and she's probably gonna be back to dancing with Spock again in the finale, and there's gonna be nothing in that because I would have liked Lon to be like, Hey, I'm sorry for this. And I don't and Lon probably isn't sorry, she's probably not because she's has a lot of trauma with the Gorn. I don't know, it's really it really rubbed me the wrong way. And Lon is a character who I like a lot, but she doesn't have plot armor. And I said back in season one that when I don't think they'll do this because I think too many people like her, but I was like, what if Lon doesn't like die or go off and lead another ship and for some reason we just never hear from her again, which I think would be weird. I'm like, what if she actually becomes because she has that her, what is it, Grandpa is con?
SPEAKER_01:Like grand, like great, great, great, grandma. Like many, many, many generations.
SPEAKER_04:Many generations of the evilness. Um, what if she becomes a villain?
SPEAKER_01:Does a heel turn.
SPEAKER_04:Could I I don't think that'd be heartbreaking, but it would be heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think they're gonna go that way, but uh it wouldn't be completely out of left field either. Uh, real quick before we go on to summer I turned pretty. So because we're releasing this episode right before, like a skin of our teeth before the finale of Strange New Worlds season three, we have gotten some final pictures from the last episode, and one of them is our favorite engineer, Mr. Scott, in a kilt. So let me ask you, he was in a kilt earlier this season for the supposed wedding that was actually a fake thing. Yeah, Scottish people don't wear kilts for things other than special occasions, and everybody on the internet's going, Well, he's attending a funeral. If it's a funeral, who's getting got?
SPEAKER_04:I really hope it's not Battel. I felt like I feel like they are gonna circle back to her because she has that Gorn DNA in there. But then the more I thought about it was like, if they really wanted to, they could save that as a storyline and four, but then according to you, that's not who Pike ends up marrying, so I don't know. Um, it could be his the lady from Kimmy Schmidt. What is her name? With the curly hair, yeah, yeah. The older Carol Kane's character, that would disappoint me because it's so fun, but she's clearly lived a long life.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but they've also done that already in a s like the remember if you recall Chapel's wedding? Maybe. But if you re well, so if you recall, um the engineer from season one that we all liked sacrificed himself, and I think that would be you know uh really sloppy to repeat the same thing. Um I I don't think Chapel and Corby ever get married. I'm pretty sure when it's he's referred to as her ex-fiance in the original series when it comes up. I don't think they ever actually, you know, went through with it. I have to be honest, right now my money is on Battel. Something's gonna happen, and she's gonna have to put her down. Yeah, she's gonna they're gonna have to put her down, I think is what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_04:I hate that because I finally got to like the character.
SPEAKER_01:Um that's but see that right there, that tells you all you need to know. Yeah, she's cut as soon as they give like as soon as especially a character like Ortega's is an every episode character, but Battel is not. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So as soon as you get background on one of those kind of people, we have the the whole like DNA situation with her.
SPEAKER_01:Um it's been a through point through the season. I think we're gonna get resolution, but I don't think she's making it out of that resolution.
SPEAKER_04:So how many more seasons do we have scheduled?
SPEAKER_01:Four is gonna be a we have a fourth season coming. They're filming now, which is going to be a normal ten-episode season, and then they're doing a fifth season, which I think they said is gonna be six episodes.
SPEAKER_04:They better not make me wait a whole year then between four and five.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I don't think they're going to. I think I think that probably if I had to guess, I'd say if if they don't film four and five at the same time, they'll there'll be a very short break and then they'll film five. I think they will have it in the can ready to go.
SPEAKER_04:I hope so. I think, and we know we're getting Kirk back for the finale.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because Paul Wesley was scheduled to be in four episodes of the game.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it might be a what if Pike has to take like leave and Kirk has to show up and take over the ship for a little bit because Pike's grieving.
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't think they're gonna do that.
SPEAKER_04:You don't think they're gonna do that? No. I don't know. It'll be it'll be I really hope that I think my biggest beef so far with um Strange New Worlds is that the premieres always suck. And then like the other episodes are great. Like the premiere of this one flat, the premiere of that. So I'd rather not have like a major sizzler. So I'd rather just kick things off with a great episode than have a premiere tying up the loose ends of the previous season. Because I think that works with some shows, and to me, it does not work very well with Star Trek. Like each season, like I remember season two open and I was like, mm, I don't like season two as much. And then the next episode was like, okay, this is good. This one opened and I was like, Well, that after the long, you know, wait, uh and then it like and then again the next couple episodes were great, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I th I th I don't think we're in for another cliffhanger this year because I do think when they were filming this up this season, it up in the air as to whether they were getting um another season. So they probably wrapped it up better than they did last year.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I'll say my one hope, which I don't think is gonna happen this season, but I do hope before um the show, you know, closes the final curtain that we get a wink to McCoy because he's my favorite from the original series.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I if that happens, I'll probably know about it before we watch it Thursday.
SPEAKER_04:You didn't know about Scotty, right?
SPEAKER_01:Scotty's not a big three.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So like McCoy Obviously we knew about Paul. That's the reason why I watched it. Like perfect example. We knew Kirk, we knew about Kirk before season one even came out because uh they were filming season two.
SPEAKER_04:I was like, hey, I'm gonna watch this show with you because Paul Wesley from the Vampire Diaries is in.
SPEAKER_01:Guarantee you the showrunners were wanting to keep that Kirk coming in at the last episode of season one a secret, but they weren't able to do it. So again, I think if somebody had shown up on set.
SPEAKER_04:You can't fool the vampire diaries fandom when we see our man out there. We're gonna take pictures and be like, what is this?
SPEAKER_01:I think we would have already heard rumblings about McCoy if he was gonna show up. Uh so I don't think that's gonna happen. Oh, and I never I didn't say this season. Okay, certainly next year.
SPEAKER_04:I said by the end, by when it the before it closes the curtain at season five.
SPEAKER_01:No, see, uh the la I guarantee you the last shot of this show is going to be Kirk on the bridge with his with his original career.
SPEAKER_04:I wasn't meaning this season, Daniel. I said when before it causes quits, closes the curtain, I better see McCoy. And if they do what you're saying, I will.
SPEAKER_01:All right, let's talk about Belly in Paris.
SPEAKER_04:We both said all right at the same time. Uh okay, so for those of you that are psychopaths, you've already seen the um second to last episode of The Summer I Turn Pretty. I, you know, have jobs and I need sleep. And it's not as I'm recording this, it is a Tuesday, so it is not really Wednesday. Uh so I'm gonna talk about the episode um where, as Daniel said, Belly goes to Paris. I know this week we have um an episode 10, and then next week we'll have episode 11, which will be the series finale of the summer I turn pretty. I don't know why everyone's shocked that this was the last season, because there are only three books. And we're already like, you know, at the point almost where the book ended. Alright, so we have the fallout from the wedding. We have Belly decide she's just gonna pop off to Paris. Like, I'm just gonna get out of Paris. So it does remind me, all the preview and everything for this episode reminded me of like Emily in Paris, which also comes back in December. Anyway, um Belly at the in that last scene saw Conrad before this episode started. She sees him at the airport. I don't know why the gate to California is right by the gate to Paris. Is that how it is at the Boston airport? I don't know. Convenient. I thought they might lock eyes, but they didn't. She just sees him and then thinks about going over and decides, you know what? No. And I was like, as much as I would have liked them to look at each other, I was like, good girl, go get on that plane. Uh I do have to address Belly's horrendous travel outfit that she wore like basically like the entire day after she arrived in Paris. Who travels in tight jeans? That's diabolical. So uncomfortable. Would you travel in tight jeans and then walk around with it all day in Paris? Like, you need that's a long flight to be in skin tight jeans.
SPEAKER_01:I barely wear jeans anymore. I can't do it. It's too much. They're they're rough, they're hard. As we as Marvin says, they're hard pants. He knows that if I put the hard pants on, I'm leaving. The house and he hates it. And I hate it to be honest. Like, I rarely go out in jeans anymore. They're terrible.
SPEAKER_04:I don't even think I would wear jeans on like a short flight, let alone like you know, a 14-hour flight to Paris. Uh so I had to get that off my chest. But ultimately, I was glad that Belly didn't lock eyes with Conrad or the people that thought that Conrad was gonna see her and that he was gonna go with her, you guys are insane. I listen, I am a Bonrad Stan. Belly and Conrad, they're meant to be. I also like Conrad, but my girl was just about ready to walk down the aisle and going ahead, even with Conrad's confession of love, she was like doubling down on it, like like Frazier, like, I love her. Like she was gonna get married. I feel like if Jeremiah hadn't been like, you can't marry me to erase him, I think Belly might have just gone through with it. Do I think the marriage would have lasted? No. But Belly was in that like little almost petulant child, little girl mode, like stomping my foot. So we we need some time. And I'm seeing like women like my age being like, why weren't they together already? Oh my god. Not only was she about to get married, but the whole like brother situation of it all, like Belly doesn't know who she is outside. Like, she was still in high school when she chose Jeremiah. They got together, they've been together all of college. It seemed to me like once she she had her injury, couldn't play volleyball. She's just been kind of not even, she had like one friend she made in college. Like, she doesn't know herself, she needs to learn who she is outside of these boys. So I think it's good. And in the book, she does that too. She goes, I think it's Spain, not Paris, in the book. Um, but she she goes off and she she even dates other people, she has her own kind of like life for a little bit. And I think in order to have that end game mean something, that's what needed to happen. So a lot of people were very critical of this episode, and I think that some of you guys need to take a breath and relax. Um it it to me it really served its purpose. Like there was like we just we this could have been an email, we watched Belly just chase her bag around Paris the whole time. Cause so so she does get to Paris. Uh she goes there to go to the program that she had been accepted to, but originally said no to because she was gonna stay behind with Jeremiah, but they said they still had a spot for her. Well, it turns out she goes there and he's like, Oh, I looked at the wrong spreadsheet. We don't have a spot for you. And I'm like, Are you serious? So she calls Laurel, her mother. Laurel don't even know. I thought Laurel did know that Belly was had gone off to Paris, and Laurel's like, You're where? She's like, Okay, we'll book a flight home. I don't care. She's like, Go get yourself a coffee. I don't care how much it costs, just come home and we'll we'll deal with this later. So um Belly goes to a coffee shop, like a moron. She stands up to go pay for something and leaves her um backpack on the chair. And she's got her, you know, minuscule teeny tiny little ring from Jeremiah in there, but also important stuff like her passport. Like she was freaking out about the rain. I'm like, what about your wallet, your money, your passport? Oh my god. Um so but she had the air tags that Steven got her for her uh wedding shower that he acted like a last-minute gift. Those come in handy. So she sees where the her bag is, and she does chase her bag around the city. I thought it was a very like a nice metaphor. Like Belly is finding herself in Paris. I see what you're doing there, Jenny Han. That is the writer of the books and also the producer of the show. And I like, I thought it was well done. I also thought the timing was really funny. Really funny. Like all the TikToks and memes have come out about like how you can't pickpocket Americans because we'll fight back. So Belly finds like her bag, and the guy like tries to mouth off, and she just like swings her carry on because she's still at that, like hits him, and it starts like kicking him, is like, give me back my bag, and I thought that was great. I feel like and I I know we like Conrad guys, but Belly is this the center of the books, she is it's her story, it's not the boy's story, and that is the most personality that I have seen from Belly in one episode than I have three entire seasons of the show where she was on her own, and I thought it was very essential to her growth, and a lot of stuff happened. So, those of you guys that are just like wanting the Bond right in game in game, be patient, my friends, because I think we're gonna get it. Um, I was having sympathy for Jeremiah during the wedding episode that went out the window in just a whoosh. He was awful, awful, awful. Like the song Man Child was written for Jeremiah. Not Jeremiah was a bullfrog. Like, man, Sabrina Carpenter, man child might as well be written for this man. He was his behavior was terrible. When he and Belly do finally have a conversation at the end, he was basically like, Well, just come home. Like, we can be together. I'm like, What? You guys were so mature, and she's like, No, I I can't come home. She's like, I think I'm gonna stay. I don't know who I am anymore. We need to find ourselves as people. And he was like, Well, don't effing call me ever again. And I was like, Oh, I know you did not speak to her like that. Uh-uh, uh-uh. And then of course at the end, it showed that a lot of and the way he spoke to Laurel, oh my gosh, awful. Because she went to go comfort him. Because, you know, keep in mind he grew up with Laurel, it was almost like being a second mother to him, and he was just he was just a menace, a terrible like I get why he doesn't want to be around Conrad. Earn beef, your brother trying to take a lady. Like, I get it, even though technically you knew that she still loved Conrad when you decided to pursue her in season two, but whatever. I was willing to let that go. But miserable. And I haven't dated men like that in my or I guess boys like that in my past that behaved the same way Jeremiah did. At least they were like it's still in high school. Jeremiah's like 21 years old or something, acting like that, just terrible. So if they're gonna try to, they're gonna have to do a little bit better to make me sympathize with Jeremiah and care about him going forward. I did like the scene at the end with Adam, that is Conrad and Jeremiah's dad, who finally decided to, you know, maybe I should be a parent and father my kids. And, you know, actually, you know, talk to them and be even emotional support. Because Conrad and Adam, he's like, Oh, so did you find Jeremiah yet? It was he's like, he says that he caught off the wedding, but like, you know, we all know he did something to screw it up. And Conrad's actually like, no, it's kind of my fault. And Adam's like, so he tells Adam about like he's like, I told Belly I loved her, and Adam's face was hilarious. It was like, I felt like Adam's like all of us. Like, if you were like a real person understanding like what is going on with my kids, and then you find out that all this time Adam and Conrad have more in common than what you would think. Um, I think that Jeremiah is a lot like Adam in some of the bad qualities, but the way Conrad deals with conflict is so Adam-coded. And I think Conrad realizing that was a wake-up call, and I felt like he and his dad had an understanding, and then Adam finally goes over to the beach house and actually hugs his son. Not saying Jeremiah, you know, I don't like him, I can't stand him, but he's a he is going through it, and finally they hug and Jeremiah breaks down crying, and it was a good scene just to see Adam finally be a parent. And also Laurel clocked Adam on his crap. I like that, and then they kind of had a laugh about it. So that was a positive takeaway. And also, Steven and Taylor, my favorite ship of the show, I'm putting them over Bond rat at this point, um, finally got back together. I'm worried they might have gotten back together too soon if we have two episodes left. But I'm hoping Jenny's gonna do that ship justice. And it was a really good scene between the two of them. I feel like they both had a lot of growing up to do and they have take put in the work. They're not perfect yet, but I think they they match, and I like them and I enjoyed their scene. So if anything, getting my Staler love scene back on was good. Um, what do I think going forward? Well, I think it's gonna play out a lot like kind of the book did. I think you're gonna see some more time has passed, and that Belly will, I think she's gonna we already know that guy Benito, we saw him, um, because she meets these group of people in Paris that helped her get her bag back. So I think she will date him. Um, I think that people need to settle in because I think the next episode is gonna have some, you know, Belly in Paris, more about her with her friends. Um, I think that we are going to get the letters from Conrad in the book. He writes her letters. She doesn't write him back for quite some time. I think we're gonna get that. Um, my one fear that I have is that Belly and Conrad are not gonna get back together until the last two seconds of the C of the finale, and that's gonna take me off. Um, because basically the book felt so abrupt. It was like, oh, we're back together. We wait, we see Jeremiah like at the wedding, he has a date he waves at us. And I not only that, I would like to see Jeremiah and Conrad work to repair their relationship and actually be brothers. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I would like to see some communication and I would like to see a little bit of build-up. There's been some leaks with the actors in Paris, but there was also a leak with Jeremiah showing up in Paris that we think um was put in there to throw us off. So I don't know if the the timing of the Conrad and Belly leaks a sus makes me think that they're extras on sets that know what to do to promote the show because I'm like, why did you guys sit on this footage and you just now released it of them filming when we've seen the Jeremiah Belly stuff for like a year? Please. I I see what you're doing, producers of this show. I respect it, but sus. Um they're saying that the ending is not gonna be a neat little bow. I do not think, and I'm doubling down on this, if I'm wrong, I'll put the clay on makeup on. I don't think Belly's gonna choose herself and that we're not gonna get any resolution. I think ultimately, I even think that if Conrad does come visit her, that maybe they'll have some fun together and she'll be like, you know what, I'm not ready to get back together yet. And then I think we'll I think the end will still be them together. I don't I don't see an end of this show without her and Conrad being an in-game of some type. Do I think they'll get married? Maybe not. I mean, they do get married at the end of the book. I think it might just be them being together, living together, time jump, if you will. Um Jenny says that she doesn't want endings with a neat bow, but she wants hope at the end, and I feel like that's how you give fans hope. So um, yeah, that's my predictions going forward. I am very excited to see how this show will wrap up. If they don't end up being in-game, I will be mad though. I'll tell you that right now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I mean you'll probably break the TV if if I if any indication.
SPEAKER_04:I'm still mad about another show that I still talk about had the worst finale ever. Don't screw me on this. And don't be like, oh, you always have the books to read. No, I want the show.
SPEAKER_01:Star Trek Strange New Worlds season three had its finale, and we talked about that in episode 117, Room Temperature Pizza.
SPEAKER_04:And speaking of Thursday, because it's going to fulfill the Thursday slot, now that um Star Trek Strange New Worlds has wrapped its season three, we are going, we'll just go right into our our summer i Turn Vulcan series, and we will kick it off with Star Trek Strange New Worlds because the finale has come and gone, and now we have the long wait for season four. What did you think?
SPEAKER_01:Um, and we've talked about this a little bit off offline. Uh it was a, I think, kind of a letdown of a sea season finale. I thought there were some good moments to it. Obviously, it wrapped up the Battel storyline as we kind of thought it was going to.
SPEAKER_04:Not the way I thought it was going to go.
SPEAKER_01:Um, not the way I thought it was going to. I think there were some great moments in it. I certainly, and of course, you're you were pointing and screaming at the screen at the end when the music started playing for the final montage. But I think that it was interesting that the way they uh uh closed this episode really felt like when they did it. They weren't sure if it felt like a serious they weren't sure if they were getting a season four. So, but there were some great c um Spock and Kirk moments. Yes. And so, you know Spork. Spork. Overall, you know, a good episode, not a great episode. Um but uh you know, I'm looking forward to season four.
SPEAKER_04:I think I definitely agree with you. I feel like the finale did fall a little flat, but it's it reminded me of what you said about um this the finale of Agatha back last fall, that we had that great episode, and then the last episode just felt kind of flat. And I feel like the episode last week with Ortega and the Gorn, I felt like that was probably one of the best episodes like of Strange New Worlds to date, and it was so powerful and impactful that it like anything I think was going to feel a little flat.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's the trouble, is that you're they they had that that's one of the great like probably one of the best Strange New Worlds episodes, and it's up there in the Star Trek canon of episodes where that was a really good episode. Very good episode to then follow that up with a story that it felt like I think objectively that's the best episode.
SPEAKER_04:Like my favorite's always gonna be the musical episode, but I think that is the best episode of it, and to follow it up with that finale. That being said, like I feel like if I had to pick a main character on the show, it is Christopher Pike. Right. So he he usually starts the season and ends it. And I will say this I was saying, like, I don't want to have a finale that's gonna sizzle me and then start me off with a bummer of a premiere. So they were like, they did, they did do that for me because we we we could start off the premiere for season four, and we don't we don't we didn't have a sizzler moment. Like it can pick up, you know, obviously what happened with Battel, who didn't die, by the way. Who was a tiny temp who didn't die, didn't die, Battel who didn't die, but now like this statue lady repelling in the middle of the world. I'm not really sure what's going on. I have purpose.
SPEAKER_01:The way that all went down, I felt like was a little odd. Like writer writers were like, eh, let's just blur let's just How do we write her off without killing her off?
SPEAKER_04:What are we gonna do? Because in canonically, that is not who he ends up with.
SPEAKER_05:Correct.
SPEAKER_04:I did think it was very interesting. They made it a point to tell us several times in that episode about how time can work differently. Yeah, like the contracts of time, because there is this part where she makes it out, like she's able to like save the world from it, the whole thing with the guy that lost his eye, like the evil people that all came back. Yeah, and she so there's this like scenario where she was able to defeat that, and they were able to get married, live together, have children, and we basically go through all their lives, and he's still rocking some great foin here when he's clearly like you know, elderly, and then she passes away, and then suddenly it's like almost like she gave him that like vision, like this is what it could have been. But to him, you could tell like when he when they snapped in back like to the normal timeline we're on that it felt like he had lived all that time, yeah. So I think that the best way to start the new season would be to have a healthy time jump because I'm sorry, I don't want to see depressed Pike the whole time. I think he's one of the ultimately, I think he's one of the best leaders in Star Trek. Like we always talk about which captain's the best, and I think they all have their own like unique skill set. I think for me, I would want to work for somebody like him the most because he like his like teaching style, his leadership style actually speaks to me even more than the great Kirk and Picard. He's just so like level-headed and calm, but also understands emotions. Like, and I was impressed with because we meet Pike in the Calvin universe, right?
SPEAKER_05:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:I liked Pike in the Calvin universe too. So I think like he's a really good captain and a good leader, and I don't want to see just him be mopey. And I feel like that scene at the end where they're all like, you know, we're there for you. I think that that was a good moment and he's gonna be okay, but I would like to see a time jump moving forward, and hopefully, I think one of my biggest criticisms of Strange New Worlds is that the premieres always seem like a dud to me, and then we get into really good episodes, and maybe we can avoid all that. I definitely agree with you. It absolutely felt like they tried to tie up loose ends. They even had that line, like, well, we've got five years to explore, which is the part like with five years, so we know we're getting the five seasons. Um, back to the stone you mentioned. So Mr. Paul West who plays um Captain Kirk on Strange New Worlds, is also probably most known, I'm gonna say, as Stefan Salvatore on a show I called The Vampire Diaries, or we all call the Vampire Diaries.
SPEAKER_01:I'd say, who does do other people call it something else?
SPEAKER_04:Uh no. And well, it's a fussy, but it's like a we're not going there, we're not going there. We're not going there, we're not going there. Anyway, one of the best scenes in the vampire diaries is where Damon, I'm not gonna get into how he gets there, but there's a thing called the prison world. Damon's trapped. Stefan thinks Damon's dead, like dead, dead. I know they're vampires, it's a thing. But he thinks he's never gonna see Damon again. So we've got Stefan in their family crypt, like basically being like, I'm so lost without you, brother. I miss you so much. And he throws the bottle of bourbon and Damon catches it, and he's like, Like, Damon, how am I seeing you right now? And he's like, It's me, and they hug. Because like ultimately, while we always had the love triangle, the heart of the show was the love that the Salvatore brothers, Stefan and Damon, had for each other. And I don't know what the name of the song is, but every time I hear that song, I think of that scene. So suddenly I'm on Star Trek and I'm like, oh my gosh, they're playing the song. And then I'm like, I've seen. I'm like, did Paul Wesley be like, use this song? Because now I've seen and I've cried twice over Paul Wesley with this song. I wish you I wish I knew what the name of the song was.
SPEAKER_01:Only there were a way to find out.
SPEAKER_04:The song is called Wait by M83, but it's it's very good. Well, I know the M83.
SPEAKER_01:I listen, I have a lot of stuff on uh of theirs on my Spotify lists.
SPEAKER_04:Well, they picked a banger of a song, and now I've had to cry to Paul Wesley to this song twice, and it's kind of like obviously Una's there for Pike with the the drink, and then of course we get, like you said, the Spock Kirk scene because they had to do the Vulcan mind meld.
SPEAKER_01:They had to do a mind meld to coordinate the ships and be perfect, and it was a whole thing just to get Kirk and Spock closer together.
SPEAKER_04:And then they like stared into each other's eyes, and they clearly, I think, both know that both of them like have a thing with Lawn, which is a whole other thing. I'm like, I've never really rooted for a thropple in a show, but I'm like, I'd be down.
SPEAKER_01:Um Well, you finally said to me the thing in this episode that That's the ship. That that's the ship. Kirk and Spock is the ship. Yes.
SPEAKER_04:My wishes going forward, I've got to meet McCoy at some point. They must cast him.
SPEAKER_01:I I can't imagine that they've got so we've got season four is confirmed, and season five will be shortened, but we'll get six episodes in season five. I cannot imagine that we go through all that without getting McCoy.
SPEAKER_04:If you could think of any actor out of thin air who would cast for McCoy.
SPEAKER_01:I don't I hate doing that. I hate doing that. Yeah, because I never would have come up with um Paul Wesley for Kirk and he's doing a great job. So I'm just gonna let the casting job. I'm just gonna let the casting directors of this show do their thing because they've been I love the cast. Everybody in this show is great, and they've always done a great job with getting people in.
SPEAKER_04:The only thing we don't like are the wigs that they make. Sure, but that's costuming.
SPEAKER_01:Um so I'm just gonna let the casting directors do their thing and uh go with it.
SPEAKER_04:Alright. Well, it might have been a flat finale, but an overall great season. Yep. So moving on, we have The Summer I Turn Pretty season three. I'm talking to you guys about episode 10. We have the finale, which will be the series finale, coming this Wednesday. And these last few episodes have been so good. This one was, I keep saying, like, this was my favorite. I think this might be my favorite. We had our full-blown actual Belly in Paris arc. She is now in Paris, she is working, she's found a job, she's found some roommates. And at first, you see that she's struggling to adapt. She's still struggling with the language. Her roommates like take her coffee, like they don't save her any. She's trying to like, you know, connect with them. But it we basically have a year pass by of time, and she gets more and more comfortable, really finds is finding herself there, and it's just it's everything I wanted to see for this character because I feel like she's been so stunted in and she needed to go away. Like everybody that's like, Oh, I want her with Conrad right away. No, this needed to happen, she needed to get away from even her mom, even the Fisher brothers that to really go find herself because she a lot of people find themselves in college and she didn't really do that because she was stuck in a codependent relationship with Jeremiah. And you find that you know he's still not really speaking to her, but that changes later on in the episode. Um, Steven and Taylor are are solid, they're moving in together, they're having friends giving together, Thanksgiving. It's it's I'm so happy with them. I really hope that Jenny's not gonna pull a fast one on me and break him up. I think they're in a really good place. And suddenly, I think I like Jeremiah when he's not with Belly and when he's not bothering me. Like, so we have Jeremiah starting off the episode as usual, being annoying, but I'm like, okay, whatever. He's sad, but he's just being a classic man child. Well, Adam, his dad, is like, I'm cut, like, he cuts him off. So Jeremiah is forced to go get a job. He's working in a restaurant because he's always expressed interest in cooking, like his crash out about the cake, belly, the cacao is part of the bean, or whatever he says, where he's like, This is the one thing I wanted. We all made fun of, like, his how much he wanted this like certain cake scene, if you know, you know. Um, so he has expressed interest in cooking. So right now he might be working in the kitchen cutting onions and doing stuff, but he's he's actually he's not relying on daddy's money. He's um he was couch surfing and was staying at Steven's apartment, but now he's staying with Denise's apartment who works with Steven. They're gonna go do their own little startup. They finally quit Adam's company because they were all working there together. And uh, there were some things that said Denise and Jeremiah could possibly have a thing, and I was like, yeah, right, I don't see it at all. Um, because I thought Denise was really gonna be the foil to Steven and Taylor, and they we thought she was, but then it turned out to be a big fat-nothing burger. And can I just say, like, the five-minute scene of Jeremiah and Denise was more meaningful than any conversation I've ever seen Jeremiah and Belly have? So the jellyfish people, if you want Jeremiah to be happy, I think this is the way to go. Like, I can't believe that Jenny, because the whole time I'm like, well, if Jeremiah is gonna end up with somebody, how is it even gonna like be believable, right? Like, with so little time. I'm telling you, that like five-minute conversation with them sold, put me on the ship, and I don't know what it is with men and slutty glasses because suddenly I'm like, Jeremiah's hot. Where did this come from in his depressive sweatpants and slutty glasses? I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I gotta ask, what made Are you pausing the show or pausing? Pausing you, pausing your mouth for a second.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:What define slutty little glasses on a guy for me. Like, what is that? I need to know, I need to understand. Because you also said that about Jonathan Bailey and his glasses that he had on for the trash.
SPEAKER_04:It's a thing. It's just you either got it or you don't. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:You have sassy glasses. Oh, okay. Not slutty.
SPEAKER_04:I do like you with glasses, though.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you're blurry. That's I I'm not wearing my glasses. No wonder. I was like, where are they? Oh, they're right there. I just I'm still struggling. I made it to 40 years without it without.
SPEAKER_04:You still have like the smallest prescription I've ever seen. Your glasses feel like the test model. Anyway, slutty glasses and Jeremiah, two thumbs up. I actually, even if he and Denise aren't in-game, that was a really great scene. Um I I but I think the chemistry is there, and if that if that ends up being a thing, I'd buy it. We finally got Jeremiah and Conrad. All I've really wanted to is I've wanted the brothers to make some type of peace, and they do. They meet at Susanna's grave um by accident, of course, but it was the anniversary of her death. So of course they were both there, and they hashed it out. Like, I feel like one of my things, and the biggest annoyances of Conrad is he has been letting everybody steamroll him. And he said, you know what, Jeremiah, you started dating her like two seconds after we broke up. How do you think that made me feel? And like she's not a prize. Because I think a lot of the reasons why that the codependency that Jeremiah and Belly had together, I think some of it was Conrad is the preferred brother. He seems to be the one that's good at everything. And I think for Jeremiah, it was a competition. And I that was pointed out, and they had a really good conversation. I don't think they're gonna be, you know, perfect at any chance at any time yet, but it was nice to see the boys hug. It was nice to they both were like, well, like talking about their mom's last wishes, and they're like, well, we both really screwed up that, haven't we? And I think they're gonna be okay. And then Jeremiah even said, you know, I'm not gonna be happy about it. Um, but if if you want, if you want really are still into Belly, um, because uh he's like, I always knew there was a force fill between you guys. He's like, you better do something before it's not too late. So Conrad um has to go to Brussels for work. He is, you know, living his best doctor life now. We've had this time jump, and he says, I don't care how much it costs, and he books the ticket and he's gonna go to Paris. Also, we have the scene of Belly getting a haircut, which there was a scene earlier in the season where Jeremiah's like, never cut your hair. And I was like, Oh, she's gonna cut her hair at the end. Now she Belly did finally hook up with a man whose last name isn't Fisher, Benito. That happened in the books as a thing. It was just a flame. I actually like Benito. Clearly, I don't think they're gonna be endgame by any chance, but it was nice to see Belly having fun. Um, it was nice to see uh Taylor visiting Belly, and she I think I don't know what's gonna go down with this Paris meeting, but I'm excited for it. I can't wait. Um, my predictions for the finale, they say it's gonna end a little different than the books. If I had to guess, this is what I think is gonna go down. I think that Conrad's gonna meet her there. She's gonna be happy to see them, and I think they might even kiss. And but I think Belly might be like, you know, I I want to stay in Paris. I don't feel like I'm ready to come home yet. Um, I feel like there's more, you know, to explore. And then I think we're gonna have another time jump and they're gonna be back in Cousins Beach. And I think that they will enough time will have passed. Maybe they'll be there for some event. I don't know. And I think that they will officially be together then. I do not think we're gonna get the wedding like we got in the book, but um, I think we're gonna get some more. Now, there's some theories that we're gonna get some bonus episodes because Jenny Hahn likes to be like Taylor Swift, like the Easter eggs. I don't think we're gonna be that lucky, but I do hope that most of this episode we are gonna get some belly Conrad scenes because one of my biggest frustrations with the show is I feel like we barely ever got to see them together. That was one of my biggest frustrations with the book, and I need it to be more than just like, oh, two seconds at the end. Here we are together. So that's what I think is gonna happen. I think they are going to have some romantic fun in Paris. I think they're not, I think they're gonna part ways, and then I think they're gonna come together at the end, and then I think you might see Jeremiah off with Denise, and it might be a hint that they're together. I don't know, maybe, maybe I'll get really lucky and they'll come be coming together for Stephen and Taylor's wedding. I don't know. I think we're gonna have a a couple time jumps. But I'm excited for the summer I turned pretty.
SPEAKER_01:Well, mark it down, everybody. It's on the record. If she is wrong next week, everybody let her know about it.
SPEAKER_04:Now, if I don't get a Bon Rad Endgame, though, we we riot at dawn, baby.
SPEAKER_01:And our series concluded in episode 118, Mothman and the Paper. Alright, well, that is the paper, and next up we've got a season and series finale for you. Uh The Summer I Turned Pretty, season three.
SPEAKER_04:And other breaking news. So the Summer I Turn Pretty officially ends our The Summer I Turn Vulcan series, but maybe not. I don't know. And season three finale, episode 11. So good. So good. It opens up immediately with Conrad going to Belly's apartment. So finally, Bonrad reunites. Belly got the haircut. I will say that haircut, it looked to me like they didn't use a wig necessarily, that they tucked it under because Lola, I think, had cut her hair shoulder length, but they gave her this bob. But it wasn't like awful looking, but it was distracting to me. I wish that they had either just actually had her cut it or styled it a little different. But regardless of that, all of the Bonrad scenes no notes. Ten of ten. They got I got to see them. First it was kind of awkward at first, as it would be, because you know, that is the guy that said he was in love with you right before your wedding, and then you ran off to Paris and you guys haven't seen each other in over a year. And I like that it was sort of awkward, but then as they both loosened up, it was so good. And just you can just tell that they are just a Bonrad connection. That is why it is the ship, that is why it is their story. And it was it was awesome. I loved watching them go around Paris together. Then they had me literally like clutching the chair of the seat that I was in during the love scene. We finally got a really good Bonrad love scene. As soon as Taylor Swift's dress started playing, I knew we were in for us a time, and it was hot, it was steamy, it was beautiful, loved it. Basically, almost what I predicted. I believe on the last episode, I said that I thought that he was gonna go see her in Paris, they were gonna have a great time, but then they might split and bet because Belly was gonna, you know, pull some crap and be like, you know, I can't be with you right now. I'm still finding myself. And then I thought that they were gonna part ways and that she would see him and cousins down the road. So I was wrong about the last part, but they did fake me out for a second because I'm looking at like the runtime of this episode. I'm like, oh gosh. I was like, we don't have much time left. And suddenly, you know, after they sleep together, Belly like has a little bit of a freak out, but in a way it was a good freak out because they addressed something very important. It's always been Susanna, the boy's mother, was always like, you and Conrad are like destined to be together, which I always thought was a little odd to put that on like kids, and it was always weird to me, and I didn't love that that was part of it. And Belly's like, Do you really love me or are you just doing it because that's what your mom wanted? And I feel like it needed to be addressed. And he's like, You think that I'm doing all of this for my mom? He's like, I've changed everything about myself, but the one thing I can't change or whatever. He said, I'm I'm paraphrasing here is like how I feel about you, and it was so good. It was infinity. They are infinity, it's a Bonrad thing. You gave the people that watch this show would know. But they faked me out for a minute. I was like, oh no. I was like, this might actually end with her choosing herself. I'm like, I'm going to uh get out my notepad now and start, you know, alerting the media, like what is going on. But it was a brief fake out. Belly Conrad leaves to go take the 5 a.m. train back to Brussels. That's where his doctoring is doctoring.
SPEAKER_00:That's where he does his doctrine.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that he has his conference there. And Belly, you see her see Junior Mint, that's the bear that he won for her. And I really liked that, by the way. And when Belly, this shows again that Belly has always been an unreliable narrator. When she told the story about Junior Mint when she got it, she said that the only reason Conrad won it was because he felt bad for flirting with somebody. But you see it from his they did a flashback to that scene. You see it from his perspective that he was just trying to win it for her, and we always knew that. But you see, she looks at the bear, she lifts up, and there's the infinity necklace that Conrad had gave her for her birthday years ago. That is, and Conrad didn't see the necklace because it was under the scarf. It's like Junior Mint just like reunited his parents. She sees it, then her mom texts her a picture of her birthday when she was younger, and she just has an epiphany, and she realizes like you know, it it's okay. I that I I want him in like every lifetime, and she goes after him. And at first I was like, this better not be a dream sequence because they start playing Taylor Swift, are we out of the woods? Are we out of the woods? And she literally runs. I don't know how she had time to change into Jeans in the tank top and get in the car and catch that train, but whatever. And she seemed running through the train, you know how I love me a good chase scene. Sure. And she sees Conrad and she's like, she gives him the speech, like, you know, it's you, I want you in every life. I choose you of my own free will. I choose you. And then they kiss, and it was awesome. And I've seen a lot of people, um, and I screenshotted this, being like, Oh, I like some of the haters are like, I just wanted Belly to choose herself, or you know, she didn't she doesn't have her agency, and it says the show was literally Belly choosing herself. Yes, she does realize she loves Conrad without denying it, but she also realizes that she loves herself. When she says she loves the girl with brown eyes and brown hair, she chooses herself, she chooses to love herself, which means loving Conrad and not hating the person she grew up to be, because she had a self-loathing, like a lot of self-loathing. She was like, I was the villain in this story. And a lot of people have said she was the villain in the story. And when she and Conrad are actually talking about that um as they're going around Paris, he's like, We were just kids. And I felt that that was really it needed to be said. So she realizes that, you know, it says she chooses to love herself, which means loving Conrad and not hating the person she grew up to be. Her self-sabotage, which was a huge reason why she couldn't get herself to be with Conrad, turned to self-love. Her running to Conrad was not just for Conrad, but for herself, and I love that. And then there's another little sentence in there, which I'll get to in a minute. But it was great. I loved it. I was very excited about it. We f she says later in the voiceover, you know, I didn't make it back to cousins that summer, but then I did eventually come back, and it's her and Conrad in the car on the way to the beach house, and then it shows them standing in front of the beach house and the camera pulls away. The other group, I got my I basically won with all my ships, never lost, except for one time for a terrible show that was awful. Um, Staler, Steven and Taylor, they had already gotten back together, but I was I was worried they got them back together too early. And I'm like, Jenny, you better not pull some crap. They had like the best scene ever. We find out that Steven and Denise, their little startup company, that they have gotten money, but it's gonna have them moving to California. And Taylor's like freaks out about it because she finds out before Steven tells her, and they kind of have a little bit of an argument, but then he's like, I couldn't, I don't want to ask you to move for me. And he's like, She's like, I wouldn't be moving for you. She's like, I know this is your dream. She's like, I'd be moving for us because I finally believe in us now, and now I'm obsessed with this song. Cod, what is it called? I've been making you listen to it like non-stop now.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it's a good question. I you know I'm I'm I have song blindness. So you know.
SPEAKER_04:But you know, you know movies.
SPEAKER_01:Sure.
SPEAKER_04:The song is called Everywhere, Everything. It's by Noah Kahan. I don't know his name, but Gracie Abrams, who I love, is on there. And they played that. We have our beautiful sailor scene. And guess what, guys? I figured out I don't hate Jeremiah when he's not being annoying and ruining Bon Red and being a baby and a man child around Belly because of the time and distance. Jeremiah in the last episode, I liked him better. He's been able to grow and really become his own person, finally at last. And he and now we know why he was so obsessed with the wedding cake and like the chocolate thing, because he has aspirations to be a chef. So he has like this whole like chef dinner thing that they have at the cousins beach house. Like, this is like a whole other separate story while Belly and Conrad are in Paris. And I actually love Jeremiah now. I don't love him, but I like him and I'm rooting for him. And I really Jeremiah and Denise Baby, last week they had, or the last episode before the finale, they had some scenes, and I'm like, you know, I could see it. I didn't know if I had read some leaks that they were gonna be in game, and I'm like, how is this gonna work? The chemistry off the charts. They've had more chemistry in their few scenes than he had in three seasons with Belly. So they finally kiss, but you know, I don't think it's I don't know if it's gonna be anything serious, but because he's like, you know, I'm really glad that we met. And he's like, and now suddenly I'm regretting myself for not doing this. And she's like, Doing what? And he kisses her and he's like, Oh, shouldn't I have not done that? And then she kisses him, and he they start laughing. He's like, What? Are you laughing because you're kissing Nepo baby? That's what she called him when they were both working at his dad's office. And he's she's like, No, I'm laughing because Nepo baby's kissing me. And also Denise calls him out on his crap, which is great. She he was talking kind of about Conrad, and he's like, Oh, whatever, you were impressed with Conrad and everything. And she's like, dude, you're the one that seems obsessed with Conrad. Cut it out. So it's like we have somebody that's gonna choose Jeremiah first, which if you're a Jeremiah fan, you should be happy with Jeremiah's arc, whether it's with Denise or him growing up. This is something that's always gotten my nerves with shows, and I'm gonna call out the Vampire Diaries fan of another famous brother of love triangle. Everybody that claims that they're a Stefan fan, but then is so angry about Stelena, you don't like Stefan. I said what I said. Elena was always for pretty much constantly, at least by the end of season one going forward, you know, I looking at Damon, she was always had that connection with Damon, you just couldn't deny it. If you're such a Stefan fan, why would you want Elena with Stefan when she clearly had feelings for Damon? Why would you want that? So this is the same situation. So the weirdos that ship jellyfish, why would you want Jeremiah with somebody that stunts his growth and that doesn't love him the way he deserves to be loved? So I'm uh for my shipping, I totally won all the ships. So that made me very happy. I would I it I would consider that a pretty good finale. The only thing that I wanted more of, I would have liked to have seen uh another jump forward in the future with everybody together because Belly and Conrad basically had their own entire storyline going on, and we didn't get to see the whole group back. I would have liked to have ended it with a flash forward of the Jeremiah Conrad Steven throwing Belly in the pool for the belly flop, which they did in season one and two. But I was like, you know what? They didn't do that, whatever. So the credits roll, we have this letter from Jenny Hahn of the thanking fans, but then saying maybe we'll meet in cousins again. I'm like, hmm. And then we have this montage of all these pictures of Bonrad at Christmas time, because you know, Belly Conrad, their thing was always Christmas. And we're like, hmm. So I finished this episode and I'm like, could we get more? Because there's been theories because about basically what we do with the Taylor Swift stuff with the Easter eggs, like, will we get some extra episodes? Well, I I think I was done for the episode, and later that day the announcement's made, and we're like, it's happening! That so here's some breaking news. Y'all thought I was done with this show? No, we're getting the summer I Turn Pretty, the movie. Woo!
SPEAKER_01:Have they announced who's gonna be playing the different uh cast members yet?
SPEAKER_04:No, it's gonna be the same. Lola and Chris are already signed on. I'm pretty sure.
SPEAKER_01:I understand.
SPEAKER_04:I know I I know Daniel, this is why you're not allowed to talk when I watch this show. It's very important to me. So we're getting the movie. Now, a lot of us are trying to theorize when that's coming out. We're like, have they already filmed scenes? Because Jenny Hahn specifically said that it's not coming next year. So we're like, well, what if it's this year? On December 14th. I think that we're probably it's probably wishful thinking. And she was like, oh, well, it's not made yet. I was like, well, made means it might not be edited yet. Maybe we'll get it. But she has since doubled down and says that she wants to wait a couple years to let the you know the actors even age a little bit because we're gonna be showing a different it's gonna be Belly and Conrad, the next chapter of their lives. So we're hoping it's like the wedding, which they have in the book. Um we could be 2027.
SPEAKER_01:What did I say when you uh told me all this? I think I was I think I said, well, they're gonna mess with your ships a little bit.
SPEAKER_04:No, she says she's not going to.
SPEAKER_01:Well, they they're gonna have some drama involved.
SPEAKER_04:I'm sure, but it's not gonna, but Bonrad will be together. They're not gonna like Belly's not gonna go date Jeremiah again. I think they might address how that could even though Bot uh Belly, Conrad, Jeremiah are all in a better place. I think that they will address the awkwardness. Because she said Jenny Hahn said that in an interview like, you know, what's it like when you, you know, are Marrying or dating your brother's ex. Like how you da navigate family dynamics. Which I mean I guess we technically already did.
SPEAKER_01:So they're just making the family stone.
SPEAKER_04:No, but that's a great movie. That's a great movie. I do love the Family Stone. But I'm really excited for the movie. I was hoping that we get some extra episodes tacked onto this season. But I think that's gonna like for those of us that there were some people that were kind of upset about the finale because they feel rushed. And now we know, like I get like I said, I could have been satisfied with that finale and been like, all right, all my ships worked out. There's hope for the future, but now I'm really excited. So I'm not gonna stop talking about this movie. It's just gonna continue to be my personality.
SPEAKER_01:You are going to stop talking about it right now. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. Not just to this super cut, to the podcast in general. We really appreciate all the support you guys give us, and we will see you next year.
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