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We Watch TV Episode 125 – Christmas Sausage

• Hope and Daniel • Episode 125

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel are back with their reactions to more wonderful yet oh so cheesy 2025 Hallmark and Netflix Christmas movies. Santa meets Mrs. Doubtfire? Instant classic. Hope also chats the absolute let down that was the season 3 reunion for The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Conversations wrap with Tell Me Lies as Hope is all caught up!

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:02:44) Hallmark Christmas Movie: Christmas at the Catnip Cafe
(00:15:08) Netflix Christmas Movie: My Secret Santa
(00:28:50) Hallmark Christmas Movie: She's Making a List
(00:39:24) Hallmark Christmas Movie: The Christmas Cup
(00:42:23) The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season 3 reunion
(00:45:42) Various Holiday Specials

Music by yourtunes from Pixabay

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SPEAKER_01:

Hey everybody and welcome to WeWatch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel. She is Hope. This is episode 125. I'm cold and I just ate sausage.

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Sausage?

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I got something like um cured sausage.

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Like a summer sausage?

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No, not summer sausage.

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Sausage from Dollar General?

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From Dollar General, yeah.

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I thought it was beef jerky in there.

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No, it's it's uh it's a the brand makes also makes beef jerky, but they they have some sausages so I not cooked. Cured.

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Ew.

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What? Well that so I saw they had a uh a spicy one, but then they also had original flavor, and so I figured I'd try both. I'm consistently disappointed in the s the spicy flavors of these sausages. They just they don't go spicy enough.

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They're probably made for the Dollar General white people crowd.

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It's fair.

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I can only handle like a pinch of pepper as a spice. I don't want to be talking about sausage this entire episode, though.

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It's the sausage episode. It's Christmas time. Everybody's thinking about sausage.

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But are they?

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Who is not thinking about sausage during Christmas?

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Vegans.

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Do they not have vegan sausage?

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They probably I think they do.

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Well, okay, so then everybody's thinking about sausage.

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Everybody, I think about like cheese ball and dips and stuff.

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And then a side of sausage.

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Cheese ball, dips, that hot appetizer dish. You know what I also thought about? That uses dried beef, not sausage.

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Yeah. This is sausage related.

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I was thinking about um like how no one ever needs to know how the sausage is made.

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Um like a nice slice of sauce. Like uh uh I mean it's a sauce, a cured sausage is still a sausage, but a nice slice of some sort of deli meat um wrapped around some cream cheese.

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Yeah, that's sort of Christmassy. Yeah. But I like dips is better, like the dry beef.

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But see, in that case, you did the dip is like it's got a carrying container, which is the sausage. What if we did the normal Christmas dip but then wrapped sausage around it?

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No. I don't know.

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Did we watch any TV?

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I feel like what we're about to talk about is more riveting than your sausage conversation.

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Everybody tell me your favorite Christmas sausage. Alright. Um Hallmarks and Netflix's. That's really all we got.

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Like we didn't it's been we're in the like the slight lull, and then I feel like next week is when they're gonna start pumping that content at us at nauseum almost.

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It's a lull, but it's also us avoiding things. Like, for instance, we did not watch the finale of Special Forces here.

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I just don't have it in me to watch Cody Brown, even though I think I might enjoy watching him get yelled at.

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Yeah.

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And we've just been tired and busy and 'tis the season to be merry.

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That's my name.

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I don't know what what else to say, but it's Christmas. And we're all in misery.

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And also, like, I want to watch Frankenstein on Netflix. And I want to watch it.

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It got nominated for some Golden Globes, I think, right?

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I don't know. I haven't seen.

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We know Wicked Forgot did.

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And I want to watch the New Knives Out as well. But we just that's I think that's stuff I and I think a lot of people will be in agreement with like that's stuff that when you get closer to Christmas and you want to sit down in the evening and relax, you'll watch that kind of stuff.

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But right now, happy holidays, like a sida sausage and some Frankenstein.

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And a good murder mystery.

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But our Hallmark and Netflix movie adventures have continued. Uh we'll start rolling out the big boy soon, and that's when we kind of stop talking about these. But uh the first one on the list here, I think is the best Hallmark Christmas movie, not Hallmark and Netflix, Hallmark specifically, of the 2025 season, and that is Christmas at the Catnip Cafe. It stars Paul Campbell, who is one of the uh very much of a prominent Hallmark male actor. He's in the three wisest men.

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Billy from Battlestar Galactica.

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Exactly, thank you. Billy from Battlestar Galactica. He played the brother that let the bird out, which was interesting because he played a vet in this movie, Christmas at the Catnip Cafe. All right, Daniel, what do you remember? Give us a synopsis, I'll fill in the details.

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I gotta do a line and then I can remember what what in the world this movie was about. Um, cats. We know what's curious.

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Cats.

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Okay, um, lady, uh finds out that her great aunt, aunt, and she says it both ways in the movie.

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She does, and it was very distracting. You could tell she was trying to be proper and be like aunt, aunt, but then aunts came out. And just be like us, say aunt.

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It's just it's aunt.

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It's aunt.

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Um her her her great aunt dies. So dead relative drink. Um, and unbeknownst to her, her great aunt had uh opened a cafe called the catnip cafe, and as you might expect, it is a cat, it is a food establishment that also allows cats to run around it.

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And you can adopt cats, these actually exist.

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I know people that have adopted cats. It's an active place where people can go adopt animals, and I absolutely am in agreement that people should adopt animals, and it's a great cause. I just don't know that I would want to go to a coffee shop where a cat could be walking around in places where they make food.

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That's what I was gonna say. I don't think I'd be eating food from this. I mean, I have my sweet little dog, our third co-host, Mr. Marvin, here cuddled up to me, and I remember um at least twice I've been, you know, on the couch with my morning coffee, and I get down to the bottom of it, and there's a little Marvy hair in it. Could you imagine cats? I hope you like a side of hair.

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So, anyways, um she f she's also in the process of finally closing on her first home.

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This is an important detail. You do you remember why? Well, because she has was always she was um her parents traveled a lot for their jobs or the work. That's why she spent a lot time, a lot of time with her great aunt, aunt, aunt aunt in this town. So it was really important for her to put down roots.

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Yeah. And so she finds out about all this and is like, this is great. So she goes back to her home. It's not her hometown, she doesn't have a hometown. That's like the theme of the movie.

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Well, she has to get a little bit more money.

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Yeah, she needs a little bit more money for a down payment on the place, and she finds out she gets cut in that cafe, so she's like, Oh, I can sell it. So she goes home. There's another secret owner of the cafe who she does not know, which is Billy from Babbles Battlestar Galactica, the veterinarian in town.

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Um, I wouldn't be letting that veterinary any birds.

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And so she goes to meet with him and she's like, Hey, listen, um, I need to sell this place and get out because I need to buy my house. Um, and there's a guy that's interested in buying it from us, and he's like, Well, I don't want to sell. And she's like, Cool, buy me out. And he's like, Nah, I'm not gonna do that. Here's the deal. You I'll I'll I'll I'll sell if you hang around until Christmas and do all the Christmas activities.

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The catnip cafe also has a tradition. There's like a famous scrapbook where they do all these different activities. Like they have like a puppet show, they have a I don't know, like a festival booth thing, they have a pajama party, a reading party. Um, I think no, I'm thinking of the movie screening as something. Did they screen a movie in this? I think they did. I can't remember it. They're all starting to bleed.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think they did because they made up a movie, yeah.

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Because they made up a movie just like they did in the Snow Must Go One. Um, and her aunt Aunt would organize these, and she's like, Okay, we'll pick one. He's like, No, we're gonna do them all. And he's hoping that she'll be won over by the spirit of Christmas and the spirit of you know what it this cafe means to so many people.

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And you forgot to mention that instead she's won over by just a random cat in a mechanic shop um on her way out of town.

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Oh my gosh. You forgot to mention that the vet has a very nice practice, but apparently he's like, I'll accept this payment of peanut butter fudge as one does in a small town or cookies. I grew up in a small town payment. No one does that.

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I have never once been allowed to pay for anything with other than cold hard American dollars.

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So he has some financial stuff going on, but the catnip cafe is very important to him as well, because obviously he cares about animals. However, we found out something we almost quit the movie because we find out that the reason why he doesn't have his own pet is because his dog passed away and it was too painful, and we're like, nope, nope, nope. You Daniel actually paused the movie and slammed the remote down and stared at me and was like, I'm not finishing this because it made you sad. A Hallmark movie evoked emotion in you.

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Negative emotion.

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It was very sad, very sad. But I felt like this was a pretty good movie, like for the Hallmark movies. It's the best, it is the best Hallmark one we've watched of the season.

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Again, not saying a lot, but the cats were cute and the dogs that we saw. But the quality of the Hallmarks has been going downhill. Even more than usual.

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Was this the best one of 2025 of the Hallmarks so far? I don't know.

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I don't try to blank them all out.

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Oh my gosh. Okay, well, she there's another cat that she ends up liking called gingerbread, and this cat, it reminds me of the grumpy cat with like the squished face. That's what they were going for. And this cat like hates everybody else, but like find four finds a kindred spirit in her. So she ends up obviously, you know, she's falling in love with his cat. We have foster boys, the foster kid, like finally gets to adopt the cat. He's allowed to do that because it turns out his foster parents are gonna be able to adopt him. That actually made me cry. That was sad. And then I guess she and the lead guy, they have good chemistry. He still hangs out with. I did kind of like this part though. The did you listen a little bit? It was a little meta for Hallmark, but saying, like, how this doesn't always go that way. The um explanation of his ex-fiance or ex-girlfriend, they said they dated in high school, then she came, they broke up, she came home, like a lot of them do in the Hallmark movies. They tried to make a go of it, but they didn't work. So remember, she's the one that runs the restaurant. I'm like, oh, so they're showing that that it doesn't always work out when you come back to your hometown and you hook back up with your you know your high school love that you tend to not work out. I thought that was like a l a nice little detail.

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Yeah.

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My gosh, you're so anyway.

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She's gonna go, she gets him to agree to sell his portion and sell the catnip cafe, and she they have a fight. She leaves, and then what she has a flat tire. Why why does she end up at the mechanics?

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They don't have really a fight. They just he's like, Oh, so you're still gonna sell, and she's like, No, it's been my listen, it's been my dream to put down roots just because they did share a kiss. They've been kissing before the end of the movies. I've been smooching the past couple years. Little Mo with a gimpy leg. Um so they kissed, and he thought that, like, you know, that not only was she gonna stay at the cafe, but they were, you know, into each other and falling in love. But she's like, No, you don't understand, I have to make this dream come true. And then she has some type of flat tire, like you said. She ends up at this mechanic place and she sees this cat, and you forgot the whole detail about how the cat cafe got.

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They put flashbacks throughout the movie. With the aunt aunt. With the aunt aunt, and they've discovered a cat in the Christmas tree, and her parents wouldn't let because they moved around too much. They moved around too much, but the aunt aunt aunt aunt um apparently like kept the cat, but then she never saw the cat again, so it's like I guess that was her last Christmas with the aunt-aunt.

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Yeah, she was very inspired to keep the cat, and then not only and help other people with the cats.

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That's what inspired the aunt aunt to do the catnip cafe.

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And so then I feel like animal lovers are gonna like this.

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When she arrives at the mechanic shop, there's a cat in there, and it looks kind of like the cat that she tried from childhood, and it reminds her of that uh all that important stuff. And then the guy says, Oh, yeah, I got this cat from the rescue place, the catnip cafe, blah blah blah blah.

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She realizes I can put down roots there. I can run my because I think she's like a marketing person or something. I don't know. I don't know. Uh it doesn't matter. And she and she's not gonna move in with the vet guy, she's gonna live in the old aunt aunt's house that she's gonna pay for, and that's gonna be her house, and she adopts gingerbread, it's great. The end, one of her cute cats though. The cats were cute, and the doggies were cute.

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Yeah, you liked this man that was gonna buy the cafe.

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He didn't even care at the end.

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He like was like, Oh, I like this cat, and so I'll tear up this contract that you already signed, Billy Vern Battle Star Galaxy.

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But it was funny with him because we were all expecting him to be that just classic, you know, lawyer, villainy, like oily man, and he was just like, just there, he was just there to do his job. Like, are you gonna sign? Are you gonna not sign? And then he was like, Yeah, alright, cool. I think this cat likes me. That was a good little detail. And then also, um, I forget the actress's name, but she shows up in a lot of the movies. She played Doctor Hope in Wisest Men and Merry Christmas Tag Cooper. She showed up in this one and talked about, like, you know, with the cats and the cat movies because she's the one that starred with Superman Brandon Roth in the Nine Lives of Christmas, and they did a sequel to that one as well. And the first one of the Nine Lives of Christmas was like one of the is top tier when it comes to Hallmark movies. I love that one. So she I'm like, yes, we need a th we need a um what's it called? Why am I blanking on three movies? A trilogy. We need a trilogy of the cat movies, and we know Brandon Roth is still doing Christmas movies because he showed up in one this past year with Susu Heck from the middle, the Keller family Christmas vacation. I like geeked out a lot about that a lot more than you did, but I really like the intertwining of the people in the Hallmark universe, and getting a third cat movie would be fantastic. And then these guys can make a cameo from their catnip cafe. As you sit here and stare at me with your sourpassed face, like the gingerbread cat, I would just like to say that you enjoyed this one more than the other Hallmark ones. Daniel plays a character sometimes on this podcast to try to be the foil to my excitement. And I could tell that this one was easier for you to tolerate, unlike some of the other Hallmark ones. So was this better than fine?

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It was fine. They did the cat actors who were very good. They were the best actors in the show, the cats.

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Alright. Next up on the list is we're gonna jump over to Netflix. My secret Santa on Netflix. So y'all just think of Mrs. Doubtfire, but it's a woman who has her brother make her like a mask in a fat suit to be to impersonate Santa. Okay? It's like the Mrs. like that's how I would best describe it. A Mrs. Doubtfire type like plot, or like she's the man, the movie with Amanda Bynes, where um from years ago. So basically, and this one, um, it's this lady, she's a former rock, like local musician. I'm gonna think she's local punk rock. I feel like she's gonna be like a Haley James Scott in terms of famous. Like, people know who she is, but you wouldn't be able to pull her from a crowd. And Haley James Scott is not a real person that's from Montreal. Remember when Haley, like, she was sort of like the reference, yeah. Yeah, you guys.

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Local people know her, but like she's not didn't never she never grew to be on that.

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Her name is Taylor, and she stopped on that because she got pregnant in college um with her daughter, the husband just out of the picture, dead be dad, take a drink, and she's struggling to make ends meet. They're living in an apartment, she's struggling to pay her rent on time, but her landlord lady was like one of the funniest characters in the movie because she was into Santa. And you know, some of us gals, we like the Santa.

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You were into Santa too, despite the fact that it was Taylor in a Santa costume.

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I can't, I'm very it's very confusing. I love Santa. Um, so anyway, she's at this record store and she meets this guy who's like, ooh, um, you know, is this you or something? I think he recognizes her. And they flirt, but he asks her out. She says no. It's later revealed that he's some Playboy, former, like the son of the CEO of the ski lodge, and like he's apparently, you know, philandered of I don't know, philandered's not the right word.

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That's absolutely the right word.

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Something like that. He but he's like clearly in his 40s, because that that's Tom from the blacklist, which is no longer still on.

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I think it was just Tom, he was just undercover.

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Daniel was like, how old is he, like 50? And then we discovered he's what, like 41. Um in real life. The bot is too. But yeah, like Daniel's like, isn't he a little old for to be acting like that? And the answer is still old to be acting like that in your 40s. Um, but he's coming home because he's the dad's trying to get him to run the company, and he's working with Tia Maori. Her sister, Tamara Maori, does Hallmark movies, but Tia's popping over on Netflix, and she's been the one that's been working at this company the whole time and is like super irritated that she has to help train a son. But anyway, flashback to Taylor, she gets fired from her cookie job, like of at working.

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Some sort of inspector or auditor person. The cookies of the cookies. I don't know. I don't know, like the cookie agency. It's not a real job.

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And they fire her, and he's like, There's no good ever a good time to do this. And he's like, So you picked Christmas? And I'm like, fair point. And she needs to make some money, and she overhears. Oh no, her daughter, she needs to make some money, obviously, because she can't bear rent. But then her daughter gets into the snowboard academy at said ski lodge, and employees get 50% off. So she's like, I'm gonna have to get a job at the ski lodge. And somehow she gets in her head, like, I'll just I'll be Santa.

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She goes looking for a job, they're not offering one, and then she hears the well, one of the characters talking about the Santa position. Yeah. And then she finds out, like, obviously it's a Santa job, and she's like, Well, I've got to get this job. So And then her brother's brother conveniently is some sort of like Hollywood makeup artists or something like that.

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The brother can't loan her money, but can do an elaborate mask and fat suit for Santa. Yeah. So that's literally like the whole Mrs. Doubtfire thing. Neil, I just wish they would have like had her put a cake in her face at once, but it wouldn't be like hello!

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So she gets the job as Santa, she impersonates Santa. Yes. They love she she starts out Rocky, but then she eventually gets her fit footing, and everybody loves Santa.

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And then eventually she was giving red form in Santa at first, like everything sucks.

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The foil of the movie starts to catch on that something's odd about Santa. Meanwhile, she's she and um Tom from the Blacklist are falling in love, and Tom Tom from the Blacklist is falling in love with Santa Claus.

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Yeah, that was what was interesting because he clearly liked Taylor when she would show up as herself, but he was constantly like vibing with Santa. It was very much giving like Mulan with Mulan and like Krubu, like before he knew Mulan was like a woman.

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Like instead it was uh um uh what he thought was an overweight sixty year old man.

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I guess so. But the Eyes did still sparkle. It was giving, like, you know, in Beauty and the Beast, where Belle is like snooping around on the West Way, and she kind of looks at the picture and she sees the similarity between like Adam, the beast, like his human form, his eyes, and the beast eyes. He was like, that was it was like that too, that reference.

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I guess, although unlike Beauty and the Beast, when the transformation is complete, he's not wishing it would go back.

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They that was probably one of the most disappointing things. It's like, am I weird that I preferred the beast? Like they should have made him like a manly man, like like like a beard or like more muscular. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

We're talking about beauty and the beast now, so I don't even know what we're doing.

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Circling back to my secret Santa, did you notice though she said, like, because she was like, Oh, it's you when he walked in, but he was like, What? She's like, Oh, my name is Hugh.

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, Taylor, she could have just still said Taylor, because that could be a guy or a girl's name. Um, you clocked Tamara Maori, like before I did. Well done, Daniel, that she was gonna be the villain.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, not villain, she's a foil. I don't know.

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Well, she definitely tried to sabotage um Tom from the blacklist. From it, but I feel like it would be irritating if you dedicated like your life to this job and all your time, and you realize like they're just gonna give it to this Nepo baby. Like that would be frustrating. I am really glad that they because there was one scene that really bothered me when they were hiring, you know, the Santa, and they're like, Oh, we're not gonna do a background check. I'm like, you're not gonna do a background check on somebody that literally has children sit on his lap. What on earth?

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They didn't sit on his lap, her lap.

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Yeah, because they would stand by. But still, you're being close to kids, creepy, but that actually was like a plot point of how Taylor was able to like, and they use that like against it. So like they circled back to that. Uh, this movie was really funny though. It was funny.

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Um I'm gonna tell you right now, everybody.

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What about the scene where he thought Santa was getting railed in the bathroom? Because they they're at a party at the same time, so she's at herself, then she has to put the Santa outfit on. So the brother is in the stall, and they're like getting her back in the pants, but it looks like from somebody looking underneath, Tom's just like he pissed up.

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They were so close to good. But it was fine.

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You laughed a lot at this movie.

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But it was fine. They were so it fell apart at the end.

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Well, how did it how so, Daniel?

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The reveal that she that Taylor, that Hugh was actually Taylor, and how all that came together and the ultimate resolution just fell flat for me. They were really they were on strong footing. I enjoyed the premise of what was happening. They had I could have used 20 more minutes. They had funny moments. You're right, like the the that scene with the changing in the bathroom was really funny. They had multiple moments. That's where it peaked. They had multiple good moments, like, and but then that the last like the the conclusion was just unsatisfactory because they knew they had to get back to normal Hallmark slash crappy Christmas movie, kind of wrapping it up, and they they just like did it in the most like mundane ways.

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I would have liked them to have kissed with her in the Santa outfit.

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I know you would have.

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And then like, or at least where she takes off the the hat and she's still in the outfit in the fat suit and they share a kiss. That would have been cute. Um, I did really like it how her landlord, like, she's like, Oh, that's my dad visiting, but then she kept coming over to like flirt with Santa, but then you realize like the landlord lady was lonely too. Yeah, and clearly she's gonna land like the actual CEO of the ski lodge. They hinted that the two of them could get together. Um, the daughter, the how the the whole reveal happens because the daughter got hurt, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, she got hurt on the skis, and so all the snowboardings, whatever, yeah. The snowboards, the kids don't snowboard anymore.

SPEAKER_02:

Um so was this movie really filmed outside? You were very fixated on like what looked like their breath, like in the cold.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, no, it wasn't the outside thing that got me, it was the actual cold setting.

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Yeah, so it wasn't like a July day, like they do some of these on.

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They multiple times when they were doing outside shots, you saw their breath, and that's not easy to fake. Like it like that kind of in fact, there were shots where it was almost so much it was distracting because you could tell how cold it was. So they did film that out. They m I think they must have actually like filmed on location at some sort of ski resort because that little town, the ski resort built in kind of almost like that town setting, just looked it it didn't look like a set to me. So I they did film outside in cold.

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I know people that have seen Hallmark movies being filmed, and they'll be like on a July day with pumping in the fake snow, and then they have the actors and they have to put all the coats on and like the scarves, and I I don't know. I think that's funny that they always have to do that. Oh, catnip cafe lady, by the way. I gotta circle back to this real quick because I was just reminded of something. I have to. Um, she's having trouble get coming up with the money. If we sold at least one of the coats, we could be well on our way to having more money for that down payment. This woman had a coat in like every scene. And I'm like, didn't you fly from California back to the stand? It's always what always boggles my mind with the Hallmark coat thing is it's never the people that like are going back to their hometown and might have coats in their old closet. It's always the ones that have like a comically small suitcase or something that have like 50 million coats. And I'm like, where is it? Hermione's magical bag from Harry Potter. How are you getting all these coats in here?

SPEAKER_01:

Back to the Netflix Christmas movie we're actually talking about. Let me ask you this question this or champagne problems.

SPEAKER_02:

At first, I thought I was gonna pick this one because it was really funny in the moment, and I laughed a lot, and it was just it was a really good movie for like a Friday evening, especially maybe not so much for my rib injury, because every time I laugh, I'd be like, ah, I strange a muscle on my rib. Don't get old, guys. What what does Frankie's dad say? Don't get old, Mike. Um anyway. Looking back though, when I look at them after you know, I ruminate on it for a little bit, I still think Champagne Problems was the better movie of the two. It had more heart. I liked the characters, I liked the resolution. So I'm still going with Champagne Problems so far as the best one from Netflix. But this one was the funniest one we've watched this year.

SPEAKER_01:

I I can agree with that. Yeah. I th the Champagne Problems was better overall and like had a more meaningful, impactful story. But this one was the funniest one of the season so far.

SPEAKER_02:

So tell me, Daniel, how would you have fixed the end of it? Since you say because you were really vibing on it till they it How would I have fixed it? Would you have added 20 minutes? Because they did kind of wrap it up.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they wrapped it up quickly. I don't know if it was a timing thing. I just feel like the reveal fell flat.

SPEAKER_02:

Was it because it was such a like uh I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for? Like suddenly the rugs out for you watching Santa possibly get railed in the bathroom and then Boom, boom, boom!

SPEAKER_01:

Like a meeting, we try to resolve the movie. Like that was like the crescendo joke, right? And then all of a sudden, and then like two minutes later, she find you know, they find out that her daughter fell, and suddenly she just runs out of that room, drops the voice, and just runs, and then she's standing by the EMS when she pulls the And I'm sitting there like load the kid in the car.

SPEAKER_02:

And why is everyone asking questions?

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like, you know, probably to make the spectacle go even higher, you would have had to probably have somebody like pull the mask off of her. I don't know. It just I feel like you needed there, was just it just kind of fell flat for me.

SPEAKER_02:

Well the EMT people weren't doing a very good job. We got the kid in the neck brace. Yeah, they were just like I'd be like, we answer questions at the hospital. Let's load up, please.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like they were just letting all this happen, and I I just don't know, like, you know, they needed a reveal, they needed an old lady fainting at like the suggestion that Santa Claus was actually a woman, something like that, to just add a little bit of comedy. The okay, no, here's my problem. The problem is the reveal of Taylor as Santa Claus was at a moment of hey, your daughter is in a neck brace being put into an EMS. Yeah. And they completely remember it was a comedy movie, and they took oh, there was nothing funny about the reveal.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I'm not gonna say it for the third time, but the whole Santa in the bathroom thing, a sentence I never thought I'd say, not once, let alone twice. It was very like we went from that to that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was funny, and that's the problem, is the reveal should have been in a moment that should have brought some humor, even though it was gonna bring some drama for the characters and consequences, and it just didn't do that, and instead it it it kind of just brought the mood down in a funny way to have it surrounded, to have this reveal circling around the the potential injury of a child.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, but it was I would I feel like if you're looking for something funny, this one. Um next one is we're going back to Hallmark with the queen of Hallmark, Lacey Shaber, which oh my gosh, huge breaking news in the Hallmark and Disney community. Speaking of Lacey, we all figured it was happening because Lacey's been spotted at some of the Disney parks filming. They are doing it's like somebody said, you know what? I'm gonna write this movie for hope. They are doing coming 2026, a Hallmark Christmas movie filmed on location at Walt Disney World. But that's not till next year. So we're talking about she's making a list on Hallmark, starring Lacey and who is the male lead, Andrew Walker, also known as on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01:

Pencil man, and he held a pencil in this movie.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, Daniel, you give us the plot synopsis to this riveting piece of media.

SPEAKER_01:

Hold on just one second. Sorry. Lacey Schabert is works for a company that Santa Claus has outsourced the production of the naughty list to.

SPEAKER_02:

The naughty and nice list. There's no elves working here.

SPEAKER_01:

So what that means is worked there for 20 years. First of all, Santa, dirty capitalist. Um also it means that the people who make the naughty list, because they are not Santa Claus, they're regular people. They're not they do not have powers.

SPEAKER_02:

Do they think they get recruited by like the FBI? Because if this agency really well, I guess they're it's the whole plot of the movie, they reshape it. Like, I would like to work, like I would have been a great inspector.

SPEAKER_01:

Again, so these individuals with no special powers are stalking children.

SPEAKER_02:

But the boss's name is Rudolph. Did you notice that?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh you know, yeah, and it made no sense whatsoever. So, so sh Lacey Chabert is a stalker, paid stalker, that goes around town watching kids from bushes and then deciding whether they're naughty or nice. That's the plot of the movie, guys. That's it. There's nothing else I have to say.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, she's up for no, you're missing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, she's up for a promotion, and she gets audited by the auditors of the company that does the naughty list.

SPEAKER_02:

It's like their compliance department.

SPEAKER_01:

And they're like, you should reconsider XYZ. So she goes to reconsider XYZ, sees this girl doing a bunch of bad stuff, follows her around like a stalker, ends up at her house, gets caught by her dad, Pencilman, makes up some shm stupid story about why she's there. She says she works for the power company and she's there to look at his electric box for his Christmas lights. Honey, baby girl, the power company don't do that.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh, you are missing some little things about the agency. She had already met Pencilman, but like pretended like not to notice him.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, that's right, because she was pretending to be a um ticket person, putting parking tickets on.

SPEAKER_02:

So he already recognized her. I would have been like, is this woman stalking me? But I guess when you're hot, you get by with anything.

SPEAKER_01:

I think he's playing a dumb character in this movie. I don't think he A little bit. The character that Pencil I'm not saying pencil man is is dumb. I'm saying the character he was playing in this movie did not have a lot going on.

SPEAKER_02:

But I also think it's another example of how hot people can get away with anything. Because if Lacey looked like a troll, he would have been like, Troll in the dungeon! He would have not do you not agree? It's like the whole Fifty Shades of Grey thing. If Christian Gray had been an ugly fat man, like no one would be into him. Like hot people can get away with a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

Anyways, she ultimately decides uh uh agrees to go on a date with him. Um not uh she does like him and she is into him, but more importantly, she goes on the date as a the excuse she uses is she's spying on the kid.

SPEAKER_02:

She's trying to get Charlie, the daughter, off of the naughty list.

SPEAKER_01:

Off the naughty list, and she finds all these reasons that Charlie's doing stuff.

SPEAKER_02:

I can't believe you're not even gonna mention her disguise that they also referenced before you re right after you referenced it. Remember, she they have other inspectors walking around and she's like, Well, I'm gonna have to not stand out. So what does she do? Does she dye her hair? Does she put on a wig? Does she wear prophets?

SPEAKER_01:

She puts on Santa Claus or glasses.

SPEAKER_02:

Regular glasses. Regular glasses on And Daniel's like, What is she Superman? And then I was like, Well, that would actually be Clark Kent, because I'm a nerd too. And then, like, they referenced it because he sees her, he's like, Oh, I like your glasses. Very Clark Kent.

SPEAKER_01:

Now, I have a note for this movie, and I feel like before we finish it, I have to go over this. So they did a flashback early on in the movie.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh my gosh, you're so fixated.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know why, because they never did it again.

SPEAKER_02:

They I they explained why they did the flashback this way at the end. You weren't paying attention, but go on, I'll explain it to you.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Anyways, so you know, there's a lot of different ways you can show the audience that it's a flashback. And for some reason in this one, they just put a white border around it like it's a picture frame or something stupid. And I'll be honest with you, I said out loud because that's just how I am now, why not they just do what like why do they have to do this weird picture frame thing as the flash just? Just give me a piss filter or a black and white filter. And then what did I do? Now I was referencing something very specific there with the and you knew immediately without even asking me if that that I was referencing suits.

SPEAKER_02:

Because what I said was we paused the movie. I said, Oh, speaking of, I was like, John Paul foul, shout out, John Paul. I was like, he told me he started watching suits, and you were like, So you clocked it that I was revering suits. I'm like, yeah, of course, yes, of course. But okay, so back to the picture frame, because she was, I guess, like, I think like her mom died or whatever. Dead mother drink drink, and her dad wasn't around dead beat dad, baby dad drink. So she would always like like little was moving around at different places. So she had this book where and she was like, I just want to make everybody happy. Their Christmas wishes come true, because that's kind of how she got in the agency. So she had like a book that she made of the wishes, because when they do meet Santa at the end of the movie, who's not at the North Pole, but he's in Delaware. Bad Sandra, by the way. She has her book of all her Christmas wishes. They should have been consistent and used the same Santa from like those holiday touchdown movies, but I guess that Santa is too busy interfering in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't like the Santa. I don't like it when okay.

SPEAKER_02:

I would have liked if Tim Allen showed up as Santa. Oh, Scott Kevin.

SPEAKER_01:

Stupid as Santa in the Bills Chiefs movies are. It was a wink and a nod. It could be Santa, it could just be some random guy dressed. In this movie, well, and this goes to the bigger thing about this movie. Not only did they meet Santa and it was Santa, and everybody recognized it as Santa. Wait, this is a not this is not our Earth. This is an alternate universe because everybody knows Santa exists. Because when Lacey says she's gonna get coal because she's on the naughty list, pencil man doesn't go. What do you mean I get her the present? He goes, Yeah, I know. I saw that she got coal last year and I replaced it real quick at the last minute. Like, I'm gonna the parents don't have to buy the kids presents because Santa does it in this world.

SPEAKER_02:

I thought it was we were gonna, I thought that was gonna be part of the conflict that like like that he wasn't gonna believe that she worked for this agency, but it was just like absolutely accepted.

SPEAKER_01:

They go to meet Santa, another we can add that hot cocoa that they didn't drink to another list of like like exactly because like the the little girl she's following clocks her eventually and finds out what she does. Yeah. And I get it that the kid would believe her when she says what her job is.

SPEAKER_02:

But the adult's just like, oh, okay. So yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

And then we're gonna we're gonna get on a plane and we're gonna go to Delaware and meet Santa Claus.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Did you say he lived in Delaware for tax purposes?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was uh they set up their corporation. It was not a good joke in Delaware for tax purposes. So they have this other plot.

SPEAKER_02:

Of this guy. They have this other plot of this like Italian guy that's like her nemesis at work that's also up for the promotion and is a bad guy, kind of like her boss. And like, I could have we could have just had the boss be the bad guy. I don't know what the point of the weird Italian guy was. But then at the end, like obviously Santa's like, okay, well, with clearly the formula for naughty and nice doesn't work. I don't know where the elves are. And he's like, So we're gonna do it, we're gonna make some changes. And the one guy, Rudolph, not a reindeer, regular man, who was on the golf course, he gets basically fired. But then at the end, like you find out why he was all there's a lot of plot, like why he was so grouchy about it was because he got coal as a kid. So then they they totally pull a Santa Claus, so him and the weird Italian guy get like the childhood presence they never got before, like Neil with his weenie whistle and Scott Calvin's ex-wife with her mystery date, and they really they really kind of did that. But yeah, we you and I were like, oh, so Santa is just socially accepted in this whole thing. But I'm like, everybody just agrees he's really I'm with you on this because I think in r if Santa really did give kids coal, that's terrible.

SPEAKER_01:

Also, I have to ask in our modern day of 2025, approaching 2026, like, do we need to update the Santa lore a little bit with the like the bad present? Like, does coal even really mean anything? Like because in the olden days, you got coal, and they're like, Wow, that wasn't a fun present, it did serve a purpose because you could warm your house with coal. I guess that's the idea. So, what would be a bad gift? It's a guess, it's a gift, but it actually does serve a purpose. And so now it's like, what do you give kids?

SPEAKER_02:

What do you think would be like a bad present?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't uh what I don't know, like 50 bucks off the electric bill.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

I was just going like old people candy. Okay, so you hated this one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, this was terrible. This was awful. This was the dredge of humanity.

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like because of Lacey and Andrew Walker, aka Pencil Man, I liked it, but I'm I'm not as anti-Santa showing up in these movies as you.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, well, that's true. I have a bias.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, that just garland for you, if you know you know. Because the next one that you did not watch is the worst Hallmark one of 2025 that I have seen. It is called The Christmas Cup. I was like, oh, I'll watch this one because it's like two neighborhoods feuding over a Christmas cup. That could be ridiculous. The acting, not good. The premise, not good. Um, it's basically this she's like a marine, but she got like injury, discharged, so she's coming home, but she's trying to get back to reinstated, and she meets this other man who was like the firefighter guy, but he was in the army. Just to be clear, he's in the he's in the tail on the bridge. I just want to make sure competing with the other tail.

SPEAKER_01:

I want to make one clarification here just for my purposes before you go forward. The Christmas cup. Is it a cup or is it a cup like in a sense of- is it a cup as in a cup that you drink liquid out of? No, it's like a trophy. Or is it a cup in the sense of like what a guy would put on to protect himself in a sporting?

SPEAKER_02:

It's a trophy, but it's not like the Gellar Cup from Fred. That's all I kept thinking about. Is the Gellow Cup? It's just a trophy.

SPEAKER_01:

But these two Does everybody else just seeing a troll doll?

SPEAKER_02:

These two now do two by four. These two competing towns, and her dad is like the mayor, but he's like retiring as mayor because I guess mayors have term limits. Is that do they really have terms? I don't know. Some places do. But like the towns share the police and fire department. So that's how she but the fire department guy, he's in the Bridgeport, the competing town, and he's gonna help her Christmas cup team. The competitions in the Christmas cup is Cheg Chugging Eggnog, which looks horrendous. Um blind tasting a cookie, and you have to name all the ingredients, and the chefs. Untangling Christmas lights.

SPEAKER_01:

Flour, sugar, eggs.

SPEAKER_02:

He forgot ginger, and he's a chef. And one of the um untangling Christmas lights, Christmas trivia, but like about the talent specifically, and a snowball fight. But the big conflict was that she's gonna get reinstated, but she has to show up to Hawaii on Christmas Day. That's when they're shipping her out, and so she feels like she's let her team down because they're like, This would be the perfect job for you because you're a Marine. I'm like, yes, because being a Marine and captain of the neighborhood Christmas Cup competition is the same thing. But this one took me like three days to finish, y'all, just so I could check it off that list. I would give this one a I would give this one coal and put it on my naughty list. You know what? If a Hallmark movie is bad for me, it must be a few more.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know why, I don't know why it took us this long um to do this, but next year, all of our movies we're just gonna say, instead of saying well, they were good or they were fine or we didn't like it or whatever, is it did they get a coal or did they get a present?

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, Christmas at the Captain of Cafe, coal or present.

SPEAKER_01:

Present.

SPEAKER_02:

My secret Santa. Present. She's making a list. Cole. Cole. Um the Christmas cup, coal. There you go. Alright, so that's enough Christmas chatter. I also watched without Slompois. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm just sorry, everybody. This is she puts the she abbreviates this to S-L-O-M-W on my notes.

SPEAKER_02:

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yes, season three reunion special. This could have been an email. It basically served as a preview to season four. They weren't, they're like, oh, we could get into this, but we can't talk about that. It was mostly a lot of Demi and like Jen shouting back and forth at each other. Whitney uh barely spoke. She said like one thing. There's one scene where they're like backstage because Dakota, apparently on a show that's not even his, can demand the only way he'll come on stage if all the ladies exit the stage. So they're all backstage, but the cameras are back there. You've got Demi like screaming and crying, and Whitney, I think I sent you the TikTok, is just sitting there like putting mayonnaise on her sandwich, which Whitney, by the way, is going to play Roxy on Chicago. Good for her. I feel like after season four, she's unless they can convince her to stay on the show, she's gonna be done because she's doing a movie, she's doing this. Like, she barely talked, really, everybody barely talked. I guess they filmed for 12 hours, and the reunion special was only one hour, and all the cast people are like, Why is this not there? Uh, two of the girls were clearly disassociating because again, like SA was a big topic of it, and one of the girls was trying to say that, like, who a lot of people have accused of lying. I don't know, I don't want to ever tell somebody else's story, but like at that Vanderplump villa, I fight I do not want to hear about this Marciano guy anymore. But I guess like he grabbed one of her butts and she was like, Oh, you guys should know how I feel. Grabbed her butt, not one of her butts, grabbed her butt. And she's like, You guys should know how I feel because you guys dealt with this. Well, one of the girls, Michaela, has dealt with it since she was six years old and was like, That happened to her as a child. That is not the same thing of trauma. Are you laughing? You're not laughing at this, are you?

SPEAKER_01:

I just I just kill myself. Oh, you're not very good.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, do you not agree? Like, you shouldn't compare that. That was abusive. So I felt like Michaela just because they don't want to, you don't want to say anything, because then you don't want to seem like you're being a liar about somebody else's story. So they just clearly disassociated the whole time. Michaela's like, I'll talk about the reunion later because there's a lot you didn't see. I felt like I was watching a commercial for Dunkin' Donuts because they had a whole Dunkin bar set up. I'm like, half these people don't even drink coffee. We know this from Mormon Wives.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like what is going on? From a person as a person who has not really watched the show, like I think I've sat on the couch and watched and like suffered through maybe 15 to 20 minutes total of these three seasons. I feel like this show, like a lot of reality shows go on forever and ever and ever. And I think this one's gonna burn out bright and fast. Like, because I think a lot of the main people who are bringing people in, like Whitney, yeah, they're gonna aren't gonna be there anymore. Taylor, do you really think after Taylor's doing bachelorette? Now that she's the bachelorette, do you really think she's gonna come back to the show?

SPEAKER_02:

In the first couple episodes of season three, Taylor was off on a therapy retreat. Whitney wasn't filming, and I can tell you those episodes were boring. So really nothing got resolved, nothing got talked about. It was a huge waste of time. Um, speaking of waste of time, I also, without you, I watched they did for the first time a Dancing with the Stars holiday special.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm glad I missed that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I love a good holiday special, but this was only a few new dances, and let's show old Christmas dances from past seasons. So this was called like ABC, and Disney Plus was like, let's put out some content. And it was filmed in advance, so it wasn't live. The one thing I liked about it though was that Emma did a dance. All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and so Andy was just a giant giant tooth. And Reginald Vell Johnson, aka Carl Winslow, uh came out to, you know, walk two more steps and look cute as can be, dressed as a tooth. So I don't care that the man can barely move. He's a precious, he's a gem. And I love that Emma included both him and Andy in this dance, but he made Andy look like a mirror ball champion. But um, yeah, that was fine. I also watched the Disney. Do you watch? Yes, you did watch some of this with me. Disney Parks. I always watch their holiday special. I watched their Christmas parade on Christmas Day, and I always watch their holiday special beforehand. And let's just say the same people that planned the Macy's parade were not in charge of this because I was like, who is this? Mariah the scientist. Who is this? She's saying Santa Baby in Animal Kingdom. I don't know who Mariah the s the scientist is. Um, I know you had a very visceral reaction when she's like, my favorite part of I'm from Atlanta, my favorite part of Christmas is snow. And Daniel's like, it barely ever snows in Atlanta. But then she clarified, she's like, but when it does snow. So Atlanta people weigh in. How often does it snow? On on Christmas specifically in Atlanta. Uh I knew Trisha Yearwood. I knew her. I knew they're not called they're called Lady A now. I knew them. But like they didn't even wheel out, they wheeled out Pentatonics for the dancing with the stars thing. Pentatonics wasn't even in this Disney park special. What a shame. I was like, who are these people? What is it? Who are these people? Who are these people? It was Derek Huff, though, a lot of him. He's a sauna dance man.

SPEAKER_01:

A lot of him.

SPEAKER_02:

A lot of him.

SPEAKER_01:

I like you're sitting there complaining because they did go to the Magic Kingdom until the very end. They did at the beginning and the end. And I was like, but the they were terri telling a narrative story of Derek traveling to the Magic Kingdom by going through all the other parks. I thought I I like that was immediately like obvious to me that I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02:

I really like how I watch this stuff, but you pay attention to the finer details more than I do. And it I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't like that. I'd rather just not.

SPEAKER_02:

Also, Christmas in Rockefeller Center snooze. Who were half of these people? I knew who Kristen Chenowith was, I know or is. I knew obviously I knew Reba. I know um Michael Bublet, they always wheel him out at Christmas too. No pentatonics in this, a bunch of other people. They had one uh singer that definitely does she does the curse of singing like this. I feel like I could be a singer, don't make me sing. And I don't there's just always somebody that has to do that old-timey voice. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, I remember when they used to have Rosemary Clooney on this, and Daniel's like, she's been dead forever. I know that. I'm just talking about like I feel like it used to be a bigger deal than it is, the Rockefeller Center thing. And then I know also I had no idea that they um lip synced for this. I just always thought they seen live. I've I knew they seen it seemed live for Macy's. I feel like I've been like fed a lie. Some people are better at lip syncing, though, because Kristen Chinowith looked like she was singing live.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. We guess some people were better at New Edition.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh that's like the band. They're like an old time, like way before my time. Like Bobby Brione with the Houston's.

SPEAKER_01:

They're not new anymore.

SPEAKER_02:

Husband, no, they're like old edition. They like got back together. They have a holiday album out. That's when I was like, are they lip syncing? Because like one of the new edition people is sitting there like this.

SPEAKER_00:

He's doing the Ricky Valley.

SPEAKER_02:

I guess the what?

SPEAKER_00:

The Richie Valley. Ricky Valley? What's his what's the guy's?

SPEAKER_02:

Who are you talking about? Ricky Valley.

SPEAKER_01:

What's that movie you guys you made me watch? About the singing guys. From New Jersey. Jersey Boys.

SPEAKER_02:

They sing in Jersey Boys.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. But the make the that one movie was about what's his name?

SPEAKER_02:

Frankie Valley.

SPEAKER_01:

Frankie Valley. And now Frankie Valley and the now old and the memes of him up there. Okay. Guys, I'm singing his 90s. I don't know why I'm it's fifth. This shouldn't have been a 50-minute episode. Yet here we are, and I'm still trying to just string sentences together.

SPEAKER_02:

You're talking about Ricky. Okay, well, you spent the first 10 minutes talking about sausage. Alright, guys.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a good Christmas sausage.

SPEAKER_02:

Anyway, I did finish Tell Me Lies, seasons one and two. Steven DeMarco, biggest villain in television movie history I've ever seen. But we will talk about that more before season three drops. I believe it's coming out sometime in mid-January. So the episode prior to maybe it'll be when we come back. I don't know. I'm gonna give you guys my full review on season one and two and what I expect to happen from season three. But once again, the there's been several of you that told me to watch this show. You guys nailed it. I felt like like I have like after watching all this crappy Hallmark stuff, like, which I do like, but like tell me lies, like diabolical. Steven DeMarco, biggest villain ever. I feel like my jaw just dropped multiple times, and it's really hard for me to do that in a show. So I promise you, I will talk about that in full as we get closer.

SPEAKER_01:

This guy's better than the Joker.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Steven DeMarco is the worst villain I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, folks, that about does it for this episode of the WeWatch TV podcast. Um, if you like this podcast and you want to support us, go click the heart buttons or the up thumb butt thumbs up buttons. Don't give us coal. Or yeah, don't give us coal or whatever whatever the positive button is on your various podcast app. We have an Instagram account, WeWatch TV podcasts, we do funny stuff there, share weird memes, and other than that, I don't have anything else for you. Hit me up. What are your favorite Christmas cured meats? Let me know. I'm on Twitter. Send me a message. I might check it in seven to ten business days when I get on there and look. What are your favorite cured meats for the holiday? Anything else you want to share, or are you just gonna let me talk about cured meats?

SPEAKER_02:

I'm I'm out.

SPEAKER_01:

Christmas sausage. I want to hear about it.

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