Hacks Season 4 Super Cut

 Welcome to another super cut! A super cut is a combination of all our thoughts on a specific show from previous episodes, cut together into one long episode. So, if you’ve been listening week by week, you may want to skip this one. But if you’re new, or love listening to Hope and Daniel as they discuss their favorites shows, then join them as they discuss Hacks Season 4.

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Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel and this is a Supercut. If you're new to the podcast and you don't know what a Supercut is, it's when we take our conversations about a specific show that have taken place over various podcast episodes and we cram them all into one Supercut so that you can listen to everything you want to know about that show and that season all in one place. And in this episode we're talking all about Hacks Season 4. We started off our conversation about Hacks in episode 102,

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We Are

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Cooked.

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What is Ryan saying on The Office? Woof.

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I finished the first three seasons of Hacks.

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And I got to rewatch it again in all its glory.

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And then we have also watched the first three episodes of the new season four that are out. I agree with you. It's a very good show.

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Excellent show. You had seen a little bit, bits and pieces, some episodes with me, and I feel like you thought it was funny. But now that you've watched it all together and you have that connection with the characters, did those episodes, like, feel differently to you now like now that you know Deborah you know Ava you know Marcus like did that come off

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like yeah absolutely like you know always missing those character development moments you know doesn't give you the full scope of the characters yeah I am going to be frustrated speaking of the season we have now yes and the knowledge of we are at least getting a fifth season

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remember guys we are spoiler podcast we didn't say that earlier so oopsie

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that I'm going to be frustrated I think we've talked about this if season five is is the same kind of format that season 2 and season 4 are looking to be which is in conflict with those two with the two main characters Ava and Debra Vance because this is season 4 so far has been mostly a like season 2 conflict on like ramped up to a thousand so the

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season 2 conflict was that Ava had sent out those emails about Debra then even though she took it back because she was very upset and angry about their father in season one so deborah said she was going to sue her so there was a little bit of tension then deborah came around but she'd still make the jokes like yeah well i'm going to take you for everything you own and obviously you know she didn't sue her at the end this one was a little bit different because the way season three ended was deborah basically said i'm gonna she she gets the gig to be the late night host and she told ava like you're going to be the head writer and then of course deborah as usual got paranoid like what if they take this away from me again i don't have it gets in her head and then screws ava over lies to Ava and says they they said they want to go with their guy but you can be like the second in command well Ava sees Helen Hunt's character who's like the network head or something out and about and she's like hey I just want like you know like I've I'm good like I can be she's like oh I told Debra she can hire whoever she wants so it's not only the screwing over it's the line and Ava went scorched earth and basically is extorting Debra let's call it what it is

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yeah

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Debra did wrong but what Ava's doing is not right so this is a much more elevated conflict but I agree with what you're saying I can't take every season of we have the tension we have the conflict we get over it we have growth and then we fight again there needs to be some balance those two are always gonna I feel like be at odds in some way because they're so alike they do butt heads and that's part of the charm of those characters is that you can tell that they are very emotionally connected to each other and the people and I'm not saying they're not romantic I think well that ship is fun in theory I don't think it's gonna happen I but what I mean by like so emotionally connected with their story souls is that they are so much alike they share such that bond and connection but they can hurt each other more than anybody else and I think you're seeing that play out and I really hope that they're gonna cool it and I feel like they are like now they know in catching up in season four that basically they were told like hey this is our last ditch effort or we might have to pull late night all together because I mean I don't know about I don't know any of my friends that watch I think one I think Kaylin does I think she is a devoted to watching Seth she might be the only one I know and I don't know if she watches it every night now that she's got the children the kiddos or if she DVRs it or what but most people I know they only watch it when they see like a clip on YouTube like do you know anybody personally like under the age of like 45 that watches late night

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no

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like I don't know anybody who watches SNL either like I'll see stuff on my TikTok and I'll be like oh that's funny like this skit but like

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if you're out there let us

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know do you watch this let me know your age your demographic

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so

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they have that they gotta put their personal crap aside and they have to see what they can do to

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save the show now the we're several episodes into season four I can tell you the trajectory of this season though this season ends with that first episode I

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think so too

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and then so season five is going to be maybe a time yeah maybe a time jump and we're gonna see what's going on extended from here this season is going to be just the run-up to the final episode if I were a writer of the show and I'm thinking about it myself if I were gonna get real artsy and stupid with it the last episode of this season would just be the show that goes on TV nothing else like just what we what we as as actual viewers of late night would see from the from that perspective I don't know that they'll do

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that do that because I'm pretty sure I saw some clips of like Rosie O'Donnell filming like as like herself as like a guest yeah I think I read something about that so maybe maybe she'll be the last episode I don't know we're like Deborah interviews Rosie I'm pretty sure I read that maybe somebody you know sometimes people are wrong on reddit but I think pretty sure I read that I I think though that like if the plan really is to get five seasons, I think that Debra and Ava aren't going to continue to argue as fiercely, but I'm not sure we're going to have the conflict. I don't think they're going to be as close as they were in season three. Personally, I think you're, I think they're going to have to, you know, I think that we'll still have, I think we'll still have fun. Debra Ava moments like, like where they're at the spa where she got like her facelift or whatever. I think we'll have some stuff like that, but I'm not sure. One of the things that I like so much about season three was how close they got like they're at the hiking episode right I told you that was my favorite episode of season three I'm not sure we're gonna get that yet in this season if they're planning for a five and then maybe we'll mend the relationship but maybe we won't

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I don't know because I'll tell you right now I still think that what Deborah said like right now they're coming the arc is they're coming back together because they've realized they have to you know they've had the talking to from the network head now that HR person has to be in the room with them like they've had their talking to and they're gonna come together but at the beginning of this This season, it's the end of episode one when they were at the photo shoot. Deborah said, I'm never going to forgive you for this. And we might go on for years and years and years. She didn't forgive

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her sister.

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Yeah, but the moment this ride, she said, the moment this ride is over, we are done. And I will never speak to you again. I hope

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that doesn't happen.

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I'm not going to say that's going to happen. But I think that is going to be something that we see come out at the end of this season. And I wouldn't be surprised if we get... if we see some shades of that in season five.

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Because it broke my heart when Midge and Susie weren't speaking to each other for a little bit. Because Midge blamed Susie and Maisel. Sorry, jumping ahead to another comedy show set in another decade. Midge blamed Susie for Joel going to jail, right? Yes. Yeah, because he kind of fell on the sword. But then they eventually did become friends again in the end, which was nice. Because I felt like while obviously I did like, sorry, sorry, I like Midge and Lenny Bruce. the actors had chemistry off the charts I don't care that was historically or

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inaccurately

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no what I'm saying though is the love story of that show was Midge and Susie ultimately and I think the love story of this is even if it's not romantic is Ava and Debra but that scene that you're referencing can we just talk about how beautifully acted that was I feel like Hannah she is the writer that plays Ava and she's a writer I believe also for this show and in real life her acting skills are I feel like I feel like she's always been a good actor there have improved like her face acting just her eyes and that smile when they were doing that magazine shoot I feel like this might be we need to get her an Emmy like she it was so like I was so impressed by how both of them did that scene but especially her like it was so good now you like Shooter McGavin and Debra right Marty

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if I saw a realistic ship for Debra it's with him

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I'm just not sure that Debra's meant to be

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no I don't know that that's the show but but certainly of all the men characters in her life he's the one that sees her most for who she really is because they had that golf episode

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oh yeah from season

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where she were season three where she was like trying to show off for the big network owner the conglomerate owner whatever that guy is but she was like playing like she didn't know how to golf and he was like what are you doing because he knows she's better than that

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you know she's a ball buster yeah

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yeah so he knew that that just was not her and so I like I said I this show is not about the ship

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please watch hacks even me even us giving a sport you sports right now it's one of those shows that you don't really you need to watch you need to watch the dynamic between the two because you would like Daniel had a coming back and forth and knew a little bit and now that you have the whole like you care about it more you're more invested in these characters now obviously severance is still your best thing going and I think while I love severance and thought that was one of the best season finales I've ever seen ultimately where we differ is I'm always going to cling to a little bit more funny even though severance can be funny too that's why I have Hacks is definitely in my... Well, I have to see how the season plays out, but it's in my conversation for Best Thing Going. While you might not agree with me, can you see why I would think that?

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If we compiled a list of shows that we would say, these are the ones that are in the running for the Best Thing Going, and you put Hacks on the list, I have zero argument against you on why you would add that at least to a short list, for sure.

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All right. No question. I'm looking forward to more Hacks.

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We continued to talk about Hacks in episode... Episode 103, Go See a Star War.

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Anyway, do you want to talk about something current?

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Sure. We've got two shows we're watching. I don't know that we have much to say about either of them. You want to go with Hacks first?

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I was going to go with the other, but we'll do Hacks.

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Let's do Hacks first. I was completely wrong.

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Episode 4 or 5? 5. I was

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completely wrong in my prediction that the season was going to go up to the first show and end there because this episode they just did the first show. So I'm done making predictions on where they're going to go. I'm out. I retire.

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What about Deborah's anxiety? And then she's like, I'm not having a panic attack. I'm having a cardiac event. But then I think she went to the doctor and everything was fine. When she's at the doctor at the end of the episode, it's because she was in the club and that guy put like a popper in her face. She hit her head on a bar, which the network's going to have to talk to her about how she's going to be more careful going out in public. I think that's going to

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be the best. security guards at some point so

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yes well we know too that like with her and Ava they have the HR person in the room so the network's gonna put that on her I think the network's gonna start censoring their jokes a little more I think the network's gonna come down about like hey you're not you can't just go out like the two of you used to so I think that's gonna be a lot of our conflict is the network itself and they know they have that pressure that they have to remain number one I read a theory that they're gonna pull a and leno and they're gonna take deborah off the air at the end of the season and the guy that she came on to replace is gonna get better and he's gonna come back i think that'd be silly if they did that for the show i wonder personally if they're gonna go to a thing where deborah has wanted this so much she's wanted redemption for what was taken from her that she's gonna realize like maybe i didn't want this at all and i want to do something else something different where i'm not being held back i don't know what do you think

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i I just got done telling you I'm not trying to predict any more of the season because I was just so like just horridly wrong earlier. I don't think a Conan situation is right because I feel like if they were going to do that we would have met that guy already and we didn't like even last season when she talked to him it was just a phone conversation so they would be I think we would need him characterized a little bit more to make him as the villain he would end up being if that were the case. I definitely think that you're on to something there with now that we've gotten past the first episode I think we're going to see the grind of a night of a daily show and what it takes to actually put that show on five nights a week and I think you're right I think at some point that toll might start to come and Debra realize was this what I actually wanted or this what I thought I deserved yeah

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I do like that we got more of that Debra Ava dynamic somehow they ended up watching the first episode together because she had forgotten to remove Ava from her emergency contact and they ended up watching it in a hospital waiting room I like that because they're both proud of the work they're doing even if they're still at odds so that was just and you could tell they so badly wanted to hold each other's hand in that moment but they're just both resisting I've seen a thing that's like every season we end with Debra screwing Ava over somehow or Ava being upset they're like what if we end this season if five is the last where Ava is the one that's not going to be forgiving or something I'm like that would be an interesting shift and it would show character growth for better or for worse for both of those characters worse for Ava if she's going to be more like Debra maybe some growth for Debra I don't know what we're going to do I would love I don't want to see it end where they never talk to each other or have a sad ending I want them to both come around but I think they're going to have to grow up a little bit little bit both of them

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no I agree the hacks conversation continued in episode 104 the righteous gemstones finale hacks season 4 episode 5

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we are halfway through the season there are 10 episodes of hacks another show out of like 12 and this that was a that was a tough episode to watch

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yeah it really was

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if your team Ava Deborah at least their connection relationship again not romantic but just I felt like we had kind of peeled it back a little bit and we were starting to get some like we had made some progress in terms of mending their relationship and now I feel like it's so thrown far back and this time Ava is the one I'm a little bit more upset with

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but I mean she was a little bit more of the provocateur in this case

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honestly when you've been burned so many times yeah what you gonna do so our whole arc now is network what are we gonna do for the network the network wants this they need to get rating They go to a focus group. I could never stand to be in a focus group because I would absolutely do what Debra did and I would absolutely do what Leslie Knope did. None of the positives would hit me. I would just focus absolutely on every single negative thing. Tell Ron I'm really good at bowling. It would not be great for me. Anytime I get some type of, let's say I get a 98 on a test. When I was in school, I'd be like, well, why did you deduct two points? Please tell me what I did wrong and how I can improve. in therapy laughing

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All right.

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Anyway, one of them criticized Deborah's hair, so she puts on the worst extensions I've ever seen for a cooking segment. I guess that mom they did, that dance mom they brought in, too, is like a real TikTok person.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, that they spoofed. So they're trying to, like, appeal to a demographic, and Ava's friends get in her head about it because they're off doing some project. And I think Ava's having a realization like you're not going to maybe get to do the highbrow stuff you want to do when you're the head writer on a network late night show that you're going to have to strike that balance. It can't be all like pretentious.

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You have to appeal to a network TV wide audience. Yeah.

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You're going to have to have mass humor appeal to everybody. I thought Jimmy Kimmel played himself well.

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That was really funny. I would love to

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get more comedians

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on there. That was maybe the funniest thing of the episode was when Jimmy just shows up out of nowhere to threaten her. Yeah, because Debra tried to take

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Kristen Bell.

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That was really funny. They probably aren't going to, but I think it would be really funny if they got Fallon and they got Colbert to show up to do similar things to threaten her. I want

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Conan to show up since they keep referencing the Conan debacle that we all live life. Team Conan forever, by the way.

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Yeah, team Conan forever.

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Go, go, baby. So Ava's got in her head about that. Debra, Debra, Debra, Debra.

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Oh, Debra.

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Debra is going back to her QVC ways about wanting to give the people what they want. Like she's so scared to death. She's going to lose this show. She wants that. So they're, they both are wrong in that aspect of how they're treating it. But this is where I did agree with Debra a little bit. Cause even Jimmy and Kayla were telling Ava, like, Hey, we got to get this TikTok person on here. That's, that's what people think is funny. You got to appeal. What is it like the moms?

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Yeah. And it went really well on the episode when they did it. So, and that made Ava even worse. And

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then Ava, did try to take out the wine o'clock joke which I did think was stupid and put her own joke in there and Debra just completely was like no and then they had a little argument literally they're gonna have to get it in check like because that was in front of a live audience which I think you have to like surrender your phones for stuff like that something correct me if I'm wrong so it's not gonna get out that way I think and I do think you sound like NDAs when you go to filming maybe not for that I'm sure you do I know you do for like Bachelor live shows you sign NDAs and stuff but they their little HR person that had been following around trips and falls, bust her mouth open and finally just unleashed on both of them. It was like, you are both horrible. So they're going to have to, they're going to have to figure something out. They're just so, they're the type that when they work together, it's great. When they're at odds, it's toxic and horrible for everybody around them. And when they were out to dinner, Ava is in a throuple situation, something like that. Deborah sees her and Deborah's just being Deborah kind of making fun out of it. But, but then was like, I'm going to order dessert from the table. Let's hang out. I feel like Debra was actually trying to just have a nice time, and that's where Ava was like, oh, we just work together.

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Yeah, yeah. Debra was trying, I think, a little bit, and Ava just wasn't having it.

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And for somebody like Debra, that's just going to make it even harder for them next time you hurt her like that again. I know they say they have a fifth season planned, but this season is rough. It's rough for the people, but at the same time, same time they are putting that realism in there if you had such a fallout like they did at the end of season three that's probably how it would have played out i i'm i'm just i need them i need my girls to at least have a breather to come together to be their best they're at their best when they work their magic together but i don't know if this late night show is that and i think that might be the arc of the season i don't know

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i agree i i would not be surprised if the Debra not on the show anymore.

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Not on the late night

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show. Not on the late night show anymore, yeah. And we wrapped up talking about Hacks Season 4 in Episode 106, Resting Nice Face. Well, with that out of the way, we do have some television shows that I watched with you. First up here on the agenda is actually a season finale. Hacks Season 4, final episode. And it was kind of a... anticlimactic kind of episode but I kind of we've talked about it and I think we both agreed it was necessary because otherwise this would have had to been the first episode of season five and that wouldn't have worked really well I don't think

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and I feel like just to catch the listeners up I don't think we've talked about hacks the last couple podcasts because we wanted to save it for the end so I think the last time we spoke on hacks Ava and Debra were still at odds they were able to put that behind them them. Ava had a massive crash out. Debra realized basically that she had been being a horrible person and that she wouldn't be where she was without Ava. So their fences were mended. We have them, you know, they're back on track. They're like, let's write the show for each other. I mean, I might have already said that in a previous podcast. I don't remember. Who knows? And I'd say the episode before the finale was the big one.

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Yeah. What happened was... Helen Hunt's character, who was like the executive over the channel had been, yeah, Wendy had been really on Debra to come up with like a, her carpool karaoke equivalent, right? Which we find out later, Wendy thought that was a dumb idea too, but that's just what you got to do, right?

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You got to play the game and you work.

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So she's so tough on it that, that Debra ends up running into Bob Lipka, Bob Lipka, who owns the studio or he's the CEO of everything, of all the whole big conglomerate. And she completely, Complains to Bob about Wendy about that specific situation. Turn it around and suddenly the next thing we know, Wendy's been fired and Bob has taken over. And

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I don't think Debra wanted that to

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happen necessarily. I don't think that was the result Debra was looking for, but she also didn't seem like she was that upset by

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it. Yeah, I agree. She was very Debra about it, like, oh well.

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So then the next episode we're seeing the studio, Bob Lipka, has had them bring on a guest. that's got some problematic issues that Ava is definitely against. Debra's not necessarily totally against it, but she does, in the taping of the show, ask him a question that his agents come back and say, hey, we'd really like to cut that.

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Because apparently they... I always thought Late Night Show was live. It's not. It's pre-taped. I don't know why I stupidly... I just always thought they were all up that late. I guess they're on the West Coast, so I was like, they're not that late. But what, do they do it in the afternoon? They do the tapings? And that's how it is for all of them.

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Yeah. It's a live show, which we'll get to in a minute. So that brings us to the live show. Debra was doing a live after the Oscars show.

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Which was huge because they had gone to number one. They're the number one late night show. You got to put in that detail. They were successful.

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Bob also told Debra to fire Ava.

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Oh, yeah, because it turned out Ava saw her old coworkers at a bar and kind of mentioned, which they were already doing a hit piece on this particular actor that had problematic texts anyway. and Ava being Ava just opened her mouth about it.

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And it sprung them into a censorship conversation. And that's what led to Debra tricked Ava into being out of the studio so she wouldn't be able to stop her. I was nervous. And on live TV, Debra just lays out the studio head. I keep saying studio head because I've got another show in my head. The executive on live air, right? And then a couple other people conspire to keep it on the air are long enough for her to get most of her message out she of course is fired

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Ava's watching this from the security thing because they had Ava's badge and everything terminated Debra basically said this has been my dream job but you know this is what's what's going on it was it was a baller move

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which leads us to our final episode of the season where Debra basically her contract says if she gets fired she has a non-compete for 18 months

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which is a very normal thing and even like like regular people's line of works like I know that I had to ask people before like do you have a non-compete when it comes to like professional things like that's an actual thing that regular people it

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shouldn't be but I'm not going to get

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political you're not going to get but it is a thing that exists for all and you would think that they did address that they're like did you not read your contract she's like well I thought I was never going to have another job again because I finally got my dream job that's why I didn't read this contract because reading contracts and litigation was always something that like Debra was into so I remember making a comment to you like that's weird to me that she wouldn't have read that but so they they clarified that and And okay, so here we go. Last episode. The episode before that, episode nine was crazy. Yeah. Because it ended with them like literally like Thelma Louise-ing it, like leaving the studio together and Bob Lipka at their car being like, hey, you're finished, lady. So we had all that intensity and then we pick up right with the fallout and we have Debra super depressed.

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Yep. She's visited different, like a million different lawyers to try and find her way out of that contract, but nobody can

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you know what my favorite part of just showcasing how depressed Debra was was yeah so back in Vegas when in they we I don't think we saw her with the fountain pop she was just a fountain Diet Cokes it was just her thing it's the thing that was highlighted in season one so it's just if you're a watcher of the show you know that's a thing and I look at you and I'm like oh my gosh I was like she's drinking bottle Diet Coke she didn't go in because she's like in a convenience store and she didn't get the fountain pop she got the just a bottle so like it's just little details that writers sprinkle in like that that i really like um but then they decide they're like you should she talks to we see marty again

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well this is if we saw him this season it was early but i don't think we have yeah i don't think we have marty convinces her to go to hawaii to one of his resorts

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to chill

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she decides to bring to bring ava along with her except they don't actually go to hawaii she takes her to singapore because Debra has found her own workaround from the contract, which is that she can, through a translator, do her comedy in a Singapore casino equivalent. So she starts doing that, and she's really, her jokes are her old stuff. Yeah, and

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Ava's down for it at first. They have a montage of them having fun, but you slowly start to see Ava's character kind of break, and you see Debra's character just drinking more, phoning it in, falling asleep on stage. So while she's doing this, because she feels the need to work it's not fulfilling her

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yeah

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and then they almost had me why don't you tell us what happened

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i didn't believe it i did not believe this for one second but so deborah and ava have a fight it's not nearly as big of a fight as what they've had in the past

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it wasn't their normal

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but ava decides she's gonna go back to the states yeah and so she goes to her room and when she wakes up she's got like a million phone calls and she finally gets on the phone with the with her deborah's agent and she's like can can you check on Debra? Because TMZ just published a post that she is dead. And they went deep into very serious music and Ava like longingly running through the hallway. And like they were working real hard from a production value standpoint to make you think this could actually be true only to have when Ava gets to her hotel room and starts knocking on the door. And

SPEAKER_01: 28:07

Debra's like, what?

SPEAKER_00: 28:08

Debra's alive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 28:10

She's basically just like hung over and laying in bed. You know why I think, I think when I'm really emotionally invested in a show, it's easier for a show to trick me because some of my walls that I have built up with other shows are down but I also could see I like I'm like what if you know we season five I think was announced like two days before the finale aired and I'm like what if they make season five about because I think they're still going to need to like at some point Ava's going to have to really strike out on her own I feel like to be very satisfying for us like obviously the point of the show is her relationship with Debra but I'd also like to see Ava grow some in a different way like be comfortable on her own so I thought well what if they just what if they I was like that's a bold move what if they're really doing this but I should have known better and then that it took that Debra reading her like obit or whatever that TMZ put up to kind of sometimes I think Debra is the classic like narcissistic type of person that sometimes it takes just a real kick in the butt to kind of shake you out of a funk and it took that for her to be like this isn't because they said in the obit that she killed late night she's like I'm not going to be remember that she's like let's pack in let's get to work let's go so I think we're led to believe that at least a couple months had passed by that they were in Singapore I don't think like the full 18 months but you know maybe a few months couple months

SPEAKER_00: 29:29

few months Ava says at one point we've been here for a couple months or something so yeah so time passed but not the full 18 months so I fully expect season 5 to pick up still in the 18 month period maybe a little closer to the end of it

SPEAKER_01: 29:43

kind of like what material what their next move is

SPEAKER_00: 29:46

yeah

SPEAKER_01: 29:46

and I'm really looking forward to it and I think you and I at first we had that initial reaction of wow that was a really just kind of like anti-climatic like you said kind of just slow finale compared to the previous episode but it fits because as a viewer I liked seeing that fall out and I would read that means that we can start season five not from that depressive place not that she won't still be depressed but oh

SPEAKER_00: 30:11

I think she's mad now

SPEAKER_01: 30:13

yeah now she's fired up she's mad and I think it's just gonna be a little bit more driven and I think that's a really good way to pick up for the new season because I you know even when shows pick up on the next day when you're waiting months to see a show like we are says viewers might be like oh she should be over it but you know what I mean like because time has passed for us it's hard for us to and I'm not saying when I say us I don't mean like the two of us I just mean like viewers in general that are watching these shows so I thought I thought that was a really good move

SPEAKER_00: 30:43

all right question for you yes so we have reached You, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01: 31:16

what they do in Severance I like a funnier show and I think that's kind of why the first couple episodes of Hacks was hard for me to get through because that fight just felt more intense also I watched Hacks differently than I had on previous seasons I had to do the weekly release which I think makes the feud stretch out longer and it just this feud with them felt just more intense and personal than it ever had before so it was stressful to me as somebody who really likes the relationship of these two characters so I do really think Severance is an amazing show I hope we don't have to wait forever for the next season but my style and type of tv that i enjoy watching is more what hacks gives me and i feel like this show is a a beautiful depiction of characters but not over the top they still very much feel like themselves even when they disappoint you but it also blends humor and drama really well and i i just really enjoy it so for me it would be hacks now originally they always said they had a plan for five seasons they've since said they might not they might do more and i read in into that article a little bit I can't criticize people for the Lilo and Stitch thing without actually reading into context myself and basically they said they have a plan that they the way they want to end the story but if for some reason they need more episodes to finish that story instead of cramming them in that might be a reason why they would do more because I don't think while it wins awards Daniel I don't think it's one of the heavy hitters for Max like I think that a lot like most people assume because it cleaned up at the awards it was probably probably going to get a season five but it's not bringing in the numbers that gemstones brought in or like white lotus by any stretch or even the last of us it's nowhere near those type of viewership numbers i'm pretty sure so for now yeah i'm gonna go with hacks

SPEAKER_00: 33:00

well there you have it folks we are a split decision in the house if you're not familiar if you're newer here if you're not familiar the best thing going is how we kind of kick this podcast off and declaring a show as the best thing going and i think this is the first time we've been a split decision on the best thing going you Usually we've been in alignment, but, but right now backups. Yeah. But right now I think, you know, for me, it's severance for you. It's hacks. Um,

SPEAKER_01: 33:24

I mean, what do you think about hacks? I told you that I still think severance is like a brilliantly done show, but I, and I gave my reason why I would pick hacks over it. What are your thoughts on hacks?

SPEAKER_00: 33:32

Oh, I think hacks is excellent. It's well-written. It's funny. Uh, but it's got the dramatic elements. It's, it's absolutely a great show. Uh, just for me, I I'm, for me, when it comes to the best thing going on severance is just there taking up all of my mind space whenever I think about it, trying to understand what may or may not happen in the next season. So that's kind of how I judge this thing going. And that's all the Supercut we've got for you this week, everybody. I hope you enjoyed and see you next time.