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The White Lotus Season 3 Super Cut
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Welcome to another super cut! A super cut is a combination of all our thoughts on a specific show from previous episodes, cut together into one long episode. So, if you’ve been listening week by week, you may want to skip this one. But if you’re new, or love listening to Hope and Daniel as they discuss their favorites shows, then join them as they discuss The White Lotus Season 3.
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Hey, everybody, and welcome to We Watch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel, she is Hope, and you have stumbled upon yet another Supercut. If you're new here and you're not sure what a Supercut episode is, it's when we take clips from various different podcast episodes put them together into one long cut specifically about one certain show uh this episode in particular we are talking all about the white lotus season three
SPEAKER_03:hyper no
SPEAKER_00:anything else to add i ask myself that all the time
SPEAKER_03:wait to me i don't think
SPEAKER_00:so We're on vacation this week, and so we wanted everybody to have something vacation-themed to listen to in our absence. And what better thing could be than our fun little friends over at the White Lotus? So, to kick it off, we started talking about Season 3 of the White Lotus all the way back in Episode 95, Flowers in the Attic, White Lotus Edition.
SPEAKER_04:Let's flush this conversation away, because we have a new show that is back! The White Lotus Season 3 on HBO Max or HBO, I guess.
SPEAKER_00:I got a bone to pick with them right off the bat. Where's our song? I
SPEAKER_04:don't know. It dropped on Sunday. It's going to air on Sunday. We have eight episodes. And like Daniel said... My complaint, that's my one complaint from the premiere. I really only have one complaint from the premiere, and it's the song is different. I kept trying to hear, and I bet they do have it in there, like, if you're a musical person with a trained ear, please tell me, is there any, like, chords or a little bit of a loop to the original theme song? Because the season one theme song and season two theme song, I think, were slightly different.
SPEAKER_01:They were, but it was in there. But it was still, like, the vibe.
SPEAKER_04:This is completely different, or at least it sounds completely different to me. And I was like, where I think I was more upset about it than you because I'm like, where's the theme song?
SPEAKER_00:You were extremely fixated to the point of being unable to concentrate on anything else. I'm
SPEAKER_04:like, okay, well, are they going to get into it? Like, are we going to get into the actual theme song? We're not alone in this. Everybody else is like, why'd they change the theme song? But they change kind of every season. Sometimes there are some through characters like Jennifer Coolidge. And then I don't know what his name is. Uncle Rico? What is his name? We call him Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. Is it Greg? In
SPEAKER_00:the show? I think it is Greg in the show, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Watch it not be. Anyway, I'm not going to look it up. We call him Uncle Rico, Napoleon Dynamite. Hey, do you think I could throw a football over these mountains?
SPEAKER_00:Coach would have put me in in the fourth quarter. We'd have been state champs, no doubt.
SPEAKER_04:No doubt in my mind.
SPEAKER_00:Before we go too deep into this, I do want to point out that we have actually covered both seasons one and two of The White Lotus. So if you're interested in hearing about those, you can go all the way back to February 3rd, 2023. Our Our second episode of the podcast. I was going to
SPEAKER_04:say that was one of our early episodes.
SPEAKER_00:Where we talked about seasons one and two of The White Lotus. So get that out there. Other than your obvious major complaint about...
SPEAKER_04:And your complaint.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, about the song. What'd you think? One episode in. It's one episode in. I
SPEAKER_04:immediately need more. So... Like I was saying, there are some characters that are through characters, but usually it tends to be a fresh new cast each season. We are seeing one of the ladies from the season one of The White Lotus. She kind of played the masseuse, and she looks like she's going to get some training. So let's kick it off. Let's see. Season one was in Hawaii. Season two was in Italy. Yes. And season three is in Thailand. And we do have season four confirmed.
SPEAKER_00:I saw on Reddit today that they had confirmed season four and And it will be in Norway.
SPEAKER_04:They should really do Walt Disney World, or like you said, the Great Wolf Lodge.
SPEAKER_00:The Great Wolf Lodge would be pretty
SPEAKER_04:funny. Think of all the zaniness. But yeah, I thought it was really good. Great kickoff. Great premiere. It's back to that wackiness that I like. Walter Goggins. I didn't even know he was going to be in this season until fairly recently. So we've got him in there. So he's always going to just be a scene stealer. Then let's see here. We have her name. The actress's name is Leslie Bibb. I just know her from the show on the WB. Rest in peace to that network. I think now it's the CW. And I don't even know if the CW I think still exists. She was on a show called Popular. But what most of us know her from is Taliesin. I wouldn't
SPEAKER_00:have recognized her if you hadn't pointed it out.
SPEAKER_04:She has shorter hair in this. And then... Her name's like Michelle. I don't know what her last name is. I can't pronounce it. But she has blonder hair and she's kind of in that group. But she's been in a bunch of stuff. Like she's in that movie with McDreamy called Maid of Honor. She's done a movie with Ben Stiller. So she's an actress. She always like shows up in movies, which I guess, you know, as an actress, that's your job to book roles in movies. And then we have Lucius Malfoy. What is that actor's name? Oh,
SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:I just know him as Louisius Malfoy. And him trying to do a Southern North Carolina accent, odd. Parker Posey, they're together. They're married. We have Arnold Schwarzenegger's son, Patrick Schwarzenegger, is in this as well. He's their weird, creepy son. And then other than that, I don't really know a lot of the other actors that are in it. So right off the bat, Observation number one is we start off, and I think it goes like one week earlier, so we start off with the one lady from season one's presumed, we believe this is her son.
SPEAKER_00:Presumed. We don't know that for sure, but a lot of the context clues are pointing us in that direction.
SPEAKER_04:So he's like trying to meditate, and he's like, ma'am, there's gunshots. So after the gunshots, we get our classic one week earlier, and then you have the staff waiting like you always see, I feel like, in both other seasons of White Lotus. And then you have the group coming in on the boat, getting ready to embark on their vacation. So Walter Goggins is with a woman. I just call her like... I think she's cute, but I just call her like the teeth girl. And they do reference her teeth in the show. They do, yeah. So I'm not being mean when I say that. I don't remember her name. So we've got those two together. She
SPEAKER_00:talks like a machine gun.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. We have the group of the three ladies that I'm guessing they're probably like... mid to upper 40s based and like one of them is
SPEAKER_00:like a quasi celebrity I don't get the impression she's super famous yeah but she's definitely got some that's what I want to talk to you
SPEAKER_04:about because I felt like I was like maybe she's an influencer then I'm like no she's a little old for an influencer then I was thinking maybe like some type of low-key talk show type thing like a talk show host yeah I don't know I guess older people can be influencers now too and then We have the family from North Carolina. That's Louisius Malfoy and Parker Posey. And there are three kids. And there's three kids. Let's just
SPEAKER_00:kick it off. Creep fest. Creep fest. Let's talk about them. Red flags. HBO, why do we have to do this? Game of Thrones, now this. What are we doing?
SPEAKER_04:So the three kids, I really, really hope that they are not biologically related children and that at least the younger two are adopted. I think Patrick Schwarzenegger's character is... like their actual biological son. He's the one that's working with the dad. He's weird. He's creepy. But then the other two kids, this is why I'm saying, okay, if they're all related biologically, what in the flowers in the attic is going on? Do you know flowers in
SPEAKER_00:the attic? Yes, I do. I got no indication whatsoever from this episode that they were not all three of their kids.
SPEAKER_04:Why did we all read flowers in the attic in elementary school?
SPEAKER_00:listen
SPEAKER_04:that's some weird stuff man if you know you know anyway flowers in the attic basically too long didn't read version the brother and the sister like hook up because they're trapped in this attic by their abusive grandmother and they like do it okay got that out of the way so there's just a lot of vibes like so we have the youngest brother and they're going because the sister is wanting to write her thesis which something's up with that i'm sus with her she didn't even go talk to the monk or whatever she was supposed to do i don't know what what's going on there and she's like well he can sleep in my room and then Patrick Schwarzenegger's character is like no the brother can sleep in my room you wouldn't want them sleeping together because they're both like developed like body or I don't know like basically
SPEAKER_00:it was real weird it was our very first real introduction to his character and it made it set the tone for his character which is very strange
SPEAKER_04:he's making the guy from season one that Molly Shannon was his mom that was like obsessed about getting moved to the suite that he booked like he's making that This guy seemed normal. He's making Theo James' character seem normal. This guy's creepy because when he's in the room with his brother later that night, he's just walking around naked and still talking. I know brothers probably talk about hooking up with girls, but not in the way
SPEAKER_01:this
SPEAKER_04:was done. And it's just... Please, I just, they gotta, they cannot all be related. Please tell me they're not all related, HBO, please. And don't you, that'd be a very, like, southern stereotype, too. I don't want to hear it. Now, I'm going to say this. The accents are weird. I don't think any of these actors can do a North Carolina, because, like, Parker Posey and Louisa S. Malfoy, they're, like, trying to do this North Carolina accent, but all I hear is actors trying to do an accent. What about you?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I didn't, the kids didn't. No. But that's true,
SPEAKER_04:though, in life. Sometimes you'll see the kids don't pick it up as bad as the parents. I don't know. The whole thing was weird.
SPEAKER_00:I think for people who don't live around people who have those kind of accents, probably they don't notice it, but... we happen to live in places of the world where that kind of accent is a little prevalent, and I even have a little bit of that to a certain extent. And so it's just every time I hear one that doesn't sound right, it just really doesn't sound right. They were,
SPEAKER_04:like, phasing it in and out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's the problem, too, is phase out of the accents. Like, sometimes the actors just have trouble with certain stuff, so they just don't do it, and it's, like, really difficult.
SPEAKER_04:So Luiz Dias Malfoy, that's his name. That's what we're going to call him. I really miss his long, blonde wig. So he... has some business dealings and something's going on. So that's the drama on that end. I think Parker Posey's character, or Lindsay Carlisle Shea, I think there's something going on. She must just be on pills all the time because she's half out of it, half asleep. And then their youngest son, who the other siblings are being creepy towards, he got into both Duke and UNC, the two rival schools. And I wonder if anybody that doesn't pay attention to like sports and stuff like people are probably like why are they talking about that I'm like no that actually is a big deal which one you would go to so we have that whole plot we have the sister that's just that they're they're my weird weird weird family something's going on I really hope those kids aren't related. Anything else you want to say about the weird family?
SPEAKER_00:I think we have a good transition from them as also the dad has had two run-ins with Walton Goggins' character, and he doesn't like him. Is it
SPEAKER_04:Walton or Walter? I
SPEAKER_00:think it's Walton.
SPEAKER_04:We're terrible with names. Whatever. He's awesome. This actor's awesome.
SPEAKER_00:So he was smoking on the boat, and then when he was out making the dad, when Lucius Malfoy was out making his phone call, they ran into each other again and I just feel like they're either throwing a red herring up to us here or they're you know obviously we know by the end of the season a major conflict is going down and so the question is who's involved with that and they're making us they're giving us people clashing right now with those two
SPEAKER_04:and they're not even supposed to be on their phones in the lobby you're supposed to take them I would never give up my phone on vacation she's like you can put your phone in this bag like the lady at the hotel and I'd be like absolutely not so He, though, Walton Goggins' character, he is wanting to find the husband of the wife who owns that resort.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Because something's going on there. He's Mr. Cranky Pants, but then his presumed girlfriend, travel buddy, what will you, she's just a little chatterbox. Yeah. And we had to pause the episode because I don't think we're anything like this couple, but except for in this particular moment, what did he say to her
SPEAKER_00:I think they'd just gotten back to their room and they were talking she was
SPEAKER_04:talking about everything
SPEAKER_00:in the room and he was like you're like an effing machine gun
SPEAKER_04:with all the questions and all the talking and
SPEAKER_00:just you know if you know Walton Goggins you know how he delivered that line and it was excellent and I
SPEAKER_04:feel like that's how I am with you sometimes when I'm really excited like even like the girl she's like did you hear that her name was Mook I feel like that's something I would say to you like some irrelevant like detail I think though With those two, I think she's cooked. Because she said, she's like, I'm going to get you to have fun. I don't know what she said. Something on this vacation, even if it kills me. I'm like, oh, well, she's toast.
SPEAKER_00:If they're abiding by traditional foreshadowing storytelling archetypes, then yeah, she's done for. By saying that line, you can never say, even if it kills me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because that's it.
SPEAKER_04:Well, and then she is, because he's just so cranky and grumpy the whole time. She decides to go to the bar. She meets this woman who, by the way, I looked her up. She's not in season two. I thought she might have been one of the girls from season two. I couldn't remember. According to IMDb, she's not. But she meets this model, supposedly, at the bar. And she's like, yeah, my boyfriend is annoying me too. He's that bald guy over there. Now, I have been so fixated. on Jennifer Coolidge not being on this season that I forgot. Uncle Rico slipped my brain. I really need to go back because for some reason I thought he died. I guess he didn't. No,
SPEAKER_00:he got away.
SPEAKER_04:She did, obviously. Help these gays. What'd she say?
SPEAKER_00:They're trying to kill me.
SPEAKER_04:So... the camera pans just to him. We don't see him talking. He has no lines. I screamed so loud that I scared Marvin off the couch, our dog. And were you expecting to see him right off the bat? He wasn't on my radar at that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's not. It's as I thought about it, I was like, oh, I should not have been surprised to see him show up there. But at that moment, it was just like it was the first season. We're trying to get you established with the characters. It was kind of a really, I think, exciting and bold choice to just put him there right at the beginning. We may not see him for two or three episodes now, but we'll know he's lurking around somewhere. I actually think it would be really funny if that was it. He had nothing to do with the season, but he was just there. Oh, that would make me mad. He was on
SPEAKER_04:the phone talking to some people,
SPEAKER_00:and he seemed pretty annoying. I never thought that with the way this show works, the through-line character I don't remember.
SPEAKER_04:All right, so the friend group of the ladies, I feel like they all secretly hate each other. Yes. The one that's kind of the star, the low-key, the D-list celebrity one, I feel like she's overly trying to be nice, and they're all like, do you like your room? And then the one, I think she must be the single one that went up and cried because she saw the other two and presumed they were talking about her. These women are a mess. They're a mess.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think she hates... I think the other two hate each other. The ones that are super nice to each other all the time. I think they hate each other. I think the other one is jealous of the lives that they're living.
SPEAKER_04:Who knows? The only time we saw her really excited was all the monkeys outside the room. That would be weird to go and see, like, to open up your room and just see, like, monkeys chilling and hanging out. Monkeys are different than, like, I'm not saying birds aren't smart, but, like, monkeys can, like, stare into your soul. They follow you. And I'm like, and I feel like they've made, the show's made an attempt
SPEAKER_00:to show the monkeys. They put a lot of attention and B-roll and stuff on the monkeys. So I have this sneaking suspicion they're going to play into something or at least at a minimum it's like some sort of allegory that they're trying to go for
SPEAKER_04:I almost want to watch the premiere again to see if we can get a better look at the body in the water because before they did the one week earlier oh
SPEAKER_00:yeah
SPEAKER_04:we see the body in the water
SPEAKER_00:you know the thing is though the gunshots that went off early in that episode there was lots of them it wasn't like it was bam bam and over with so it could be just nobody we know because it seems like there's like a major event taking place
SPEAKER_04:I guess so. I don't know. I don't know where they're going to go with it. I'm sure they're going to connect it, make it zany, make it wacky, and I'm excited for it, even though they changed the theme song. I'm looking forward to it. I'm still a season one purist. I think I've said it before. I still enjoyed season two, but season one was just the perfect show for me. Yeah,
SPEAKER_01:season one was very good. I
SPEAKER_04:liked season two, but season one was better, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_00:We'll have to wait and see. How this one finds us.
SPEAKER_04:Our conversations continued in episode 96 with That is Rapunzel! You know what else I'm worried about? Those creepy freaking kids on The White Lotus. So we are caught up with The White Lotus, watched episodes two and three. For those who are watching The White Lotus season three, it's only an eight episode season, sadly, and it's just getting weirder and weirder. But my Walton Goggins love is getting stronger and stronger. I cannot explain it, why I'm attracted to this man. But if you know, you know, I guess, ladies or gentlemen. So what do you think, White Lotus?
SPEAKER_00:It is exactly what I want out of the White Lotus. It's disconcerting. It's creepy. It's weird. It's always giving you mystery and weirdness.
SPEAKER_04:I'm starting to warm up to the new theme song.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think the new theme song is great. I still miss the old one. I miss the old one, yes. Now I'm starting to dance. But when the beat kicks in on the new theme song, I'm sitting here shaking because I think it's good. I think it's a no-skip, in my opinion. Yeah. And like I said, I've not ever, none of the seasons of this show have I ever known what's going on. And I love it. And I've always been fine with it. And I'm right there for the ride here. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what Walton Goggins' character is up to. I don't know what's going to happen with those three ladies that hate each other. Three blunts. This weird North Carolina family. I can't stand them.
SPEAKER_04:Lucious Malfoy.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and then we got Greg wandering around. We
SPEAKER_04:flew over to North Pole.
SPEAKER_00:And they're going to get on his boat next episode. Yeah, but he's
SPEAKER_04:going by Gary.
SPEAKER_00:Going by Gary. The masseuse from the first season recognized him. Belinda recognized him. Oh, it's excellent.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like this is an example where they let the show creator, Mike White, just do what he wants.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:There were some uncomfortable conversations between the three girls. I love that they've all talked about the other girl with each other at one point. So catty. They had a very uncomfortable conversation about political matters that I feel like we've all had in our real lives at some point, which I think it's kind of struck a chord with people. I love that this show makes people feel uncomfortable. My favorite character is Chelsea, the girl that's dating Rick, Walton Goggins' character.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she's great. She's great.
SPEAKER_04:The actress is amusing. I love her in interviews, so I love the actress now. She's a perfect character. I am a fellow Aries. She's like, I'm an Aries. We have to talk a lot. And I'm like, yes. So it's just every... I want her to survive, but I'm worried. So in the most recent episode, he's like... Because he has some plans. He's... I don't know what Rick's up to.
SPEAKER_00:He has business with the male owner of the hotel, who we haven't met yet. Yes, who we haven't met yet. We've met his wife. I know he's in Bangkok. And he's in Bangkok. His wife's getting ready to go see him in Bangkok. And Rick's found out he's there, so he's going to go find him. But then he's been talking to the therapist, and she's been getting into his head. So he goes into town to buy some weed.
SPEAKER_04:And they go to a snake show.
SPEAKER_00:And he decides to ignore talking to his girlfriend by going to the snake show. Hi.
SPEAKER_04:The snake show reminded me of those little roads stop like gator shows that they do in like florida that don't seem very safe and so he decides he's getting upset watching the cobras he's just gonna go release all the venomous snakes and then i'm like well that's gonna be scary so enter chelsea and i i wasn't excited i thought she was gonna scream about the snakes boom bit on the leg and they're like we have to take her to the hospital so she doesn't die so then you skip forward and chelsea's sitting at the table with the bandage on and she's like i almost died twice like what
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I think she's going to make it now. We were worried after the first episode with the foreshadowing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. I love her, though.
SPEAKER_00:But I think she's going to make it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So she's my favorite character. My least favorite character is Patrick Schwarzenegger's character, Saxon. He's awful. He's so creepy and weird.
SPEAKER_00:But, I mean, props to the actor because he is making that character awful on purpose.
SPEAKER_04:All the kids creep me out for different reasons. It's just the vibes aren't there. I'm going to say if anything Greg slash Gary is good for, they're all supposed to go out on his boat, is maybe he'll kill Saxon. So a lot of people, I guess, thought that this might be a prequel to the other seasons. And then we're like, I never thought that. But everybody thought that maybe. But as soon as Belinda recognized Greg, they were like, oh,
SPEAKER_01:it's not a prequel. I never had that theory. No, I never thought that.
SPEAKER_04:Not once. We also talked about Luizius Malfoy's southern accent, I think, on the first episode. Yes. And I think we owe an apology. We didn't realize that he was trying to do that rich North Carolina type of southern
SPEAKER_00:accent. It sounded so odd to me when I first heard it. it and I just marked it up to British actor trying to do a southern accent
SPEAKER_04:because we hear Appalachian around
SPEAKER_00:yeah and so then we saw an interview with him where he was talking about how he was trying to do a very specific North Carolina accent from some people that he has seen and some he even watched like some specific reality TV and like yeah I can see it now he's not slipping he's doing something on purpose and and it's just an accent that even here in America even here in the American southeast
SPEAKER_04:yeah
SPEAKER_00:we're not really familiar you're with
SPEAKER_04:and I've seen people that are from that Raleigh area say he's doing it he's nailing it
SPEAKER_00:well hey listen if he's doing the accent from that part of the world and they say he's doing great who am I to judge
SPEAKER_04:and I think his character so he's in some legal trouble and he finally decides to take some of his wife's meds I think this is what I was thinking about I was thinking about this while I was in the shower actually I think that he's gonna get himself so doped up but then he's gonna end up taking a lot more of her meds and she's gonna run out of meds and it's gonna be a problem
SPEAKER_00:if I had to If I had to put money on a character dying this season, it's him. Because they've always shown us that he relieves stress by just going
SPEAKER_04:whole
SPEAKER_00:ham on the treadmill, right? And he always seems kind of in some sort of physical discomfort. And now he's taking pills. And he's got all the stress of this legal situation in front of him. Timothy. The analogy of the tsunami. Yeah, he just stood there. Yeah, I think he might be the one that gets it.
SPEAKER_04:And then Mook, one of the girls that works
SPEAKER_00:at the hotel. She's bad. She's totally bad. She's bad. I
SPEAKER_04:think she set up the robbery, and I think she's playing the one guy.
SPEAKER_00:She helped.
SPEAKER_04:All right, so that's it on White Lotus. Can't wait for more. We
SPEAKER_00:were running on little to no sleep in episode 97, Spring Forward. But yeah, so we have watched a little bit of TV. We have. And now we're going to talk about it.
SPEAKER_04:Talk about it. Okay, let's kick things off with The White Lotus. We watched, was it episode four?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Episode four. I feel like all I do is wait. on like I'm like that Anthony Hopkins like standing there mean like I'm just like waiting all day on Sunday really Saturday for the White Lotus it used 9 p.m. Showtime used to not bother me in my youth like I know that's what time Game of Thrones came on and I really felt like even with the time change like I was just come on let's go let's go let's go because I'm excited for the show but I was also tired already on Sunday and I just like all I did was wait but you know what it was worth the wait because what a great episode possibly the best episode of the season so far what do you think
SPEAKER_00:it was really good I I do want to make an amendment. The theme song, Bangs. We love it now. It's excellent. They haven't changed it, but it feels like they changed it. It's very good. We're into it now.
SPEAKER_04:We're dancing around. I have to tip my cap there as well and say that we were so upset about it, but now it works. It works for the vibe of this season, but we're still getting the little... remnants of the og theme song with certain scenes of like
SPEAKER_00:yeah they're they're bringing it in a little bit more they're weaving it in yeah uh this was a tension builder of an episode and um
SPEAKER_03:piper no tsunami buddhism
SPEAKER_00:are you quite done
SPEAKER_04:you know what i could hear Parker Posey used her White Lotus accent to read me the phone book because I live for Victoria Ratliff. But you know what I don't love? Even though I love that there's a Harry Potter person in here, I wasn't expecting...
SPEAKER_00:To see his wand? Lucius Malfoy hanging dong?
SPEAKER_04:Why don't you use that phrase?
SPEAKER_00:Why not? It's what they did.
SPEAKER_04:I knew, and you know what I thought about it?
SPEAKER_00:Fool! Frontal male nudity.
SPEAKER_04:I was thinking about it before it happened, and not because I wanted to see Malfoy's
SPEAKER_00:wand. You were thinking
SPEAKER_04:about it? But I was thinking about it. But when he comes out in that robe, and it was very loosey-goosey, and just knowing the show, I was like, that robe's going to fly open, isn't it? And then it was still like, ah! There was like, wands up! Literally, put your wand up, Malfoy.
SPEAKER_00:Because he's popping the
SPEAKER_04:pills. Yeah, so he He's been taking Victoria, his wife's Lorazepam and who knows what else for a little mini walking pharmacy. And I wondered last week, I was like, I wonder if she's going to notice because she gave him the first one, but he starts taking it. I was like, she's going to start to freak out if like he uses up her supply or she knows that it's missing. And I think we're going to start to see that unraveling because he full blown when they were, so they went to that boat party on Greg slash Gary's boat. And the scene, she's like, where can I put my purse? This would be like me at a party. It would be you. she's just like oh Miss Congeniality and she like stuck it behind that pillow and you saw her do that so he goes over and he like swiped the whole like bottle so she's thinking anybody on this boat you know just because they're rich doesn't mean they're not trashy people
SPEAKER_00:that's correct
SPEAKER_04:um
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, most of the episode was the boat party. So except for the three women, the whole main cast ends up on the boat.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we'll get to the three women in a minute. But we have everybody on the boat because we have Rick, Walter, Walton. I always want to say Walter. Walton Goggins character and Chelsea. They're on the boats. Belinda's not on the boat, but we do. She does.
SPEAKER_00:She puts it together. Figure it out
SPEAKER_04:about Greg slash
SPEAKER_00:Gary. That's going to end poorly, I think.
SPEAKER_04:I think so, too. So, like, the main kind of, like, group, we have them on the boat, like the Ratliff family. It's... It was just– it was a good– like all the scenes. So we've got Timothy, a.k.a. Malfoy, getting just smashed on all the pills, trying to avoid life. We have– we finally know what Piper, the daughter, we kind of figured this, that now her goal is she just wants– she doesn't want to become like a monk, but she wants to like study there, right? And like do a meditation there. horse or like something
SPEAKER_00:yeah but I think like she had rused them into coming here by suggesting that she was writing a dissertation on it thesis which yeah which is not the case like she's just I always knew she was lying about that I don't know if it's just she's trying to escape whatever world she's in back home or what the situation is there
SPEAKER_04:maybe her weirdo family but bad news for her is I think that Timothy I think that he is because he was asking Gary Greg yeah about like how he ended up in Thailand and I'm thinking he might like end up wanting to stay because he's in all that trouble with the law like obviously we know he embezzled money and stuff because at one point when they get off the boat he asks for his phone back and I think some of the pills had worn off a little bit so he gets on the phone and he's like I'm not going to prison and all this stuff and you see him like you pointed out several times he's clutching
SPEAKER_00:his chest which I think you know I think I think I think maybe they're trying to show anxiety but I think you could also I'm interpreting I think he's going to have some sort of cardiac event before the season is over. And he also did one other thing. Since we're there, we're already at the end of the episode, but the last thing we see in the episode, so the security guard guy is in trouble for not being a very good security guard guy. Once again,
SPEAKER_04:he's distracted by Mook. She's not going to ever go out with you, my dude.
SPEAKER_00:He's not a good security guy. No, very bad at his job. He's looking at this gun that his boss gave him and said, hey, go to the gun range tonight and learn how to use this thing. And Mook comes by and distracts him, so he sits the gun down and walks off about it and then when he comes back it is gone and the only person that we can they have pointed us in the direction that timothy took it
SPEAKER_03:yeah
SPEAKER_00:now they haven't they've left the door open for that not to be the case
SPEAKER_04:like what a malfoy would do
SPEAKER_00:but i'm getting the impression that that he took it and he's planning to just shoot himself at some point
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I have no idea what's going on, but I'm excited for that. So then we've got, not him shooting himself.
SPEAKER_00:Excited for good old-fashioned American gun violence.
SPEAKER_04:No, I just meant I'm excited to see where his storyline goes. So before we get to Chelsea and Rick, let's talk about creepy Saxton, the brother. Cannot stand him, but he's once again with his stupid blender. I read, there was this I read it. I remember hearing it, but then I read about it. They said that there is poisonous fruit on the island. Somebody's going to put poisonous fruit in that blender, and someone's going to die or get poisoned. I don't think we're going to be so fortunate that it's going to be Saxon. I think it might be the little brother. Yeah. Lachlan or something. I don't know if it's going to be a death, but I think it certainly will be a hospitalization situation. So those just– the whole creepy vibes. And then somebody also said– Could his brother end up losing his scholarship to Duke or UNC if those pictures come out of him drinking on the boat? Maybe. I don't know. Because he's only like 18.
SPEAKER_00:Thing is, we don't ever get to see what happens to people after they leave the resort. Yeah. So we won't know that because we're not going to hear about that.
SPEAKER_04:And now Piper's mad at him because she wanted him to have her back.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The kids are acting less like flowers in the attic-y lately, but they're still creepy the The whole family's creepy. But I just want to hear Victoria talk. And she hated Victoria. No one hated the boat more than Victoria. She gets off and, like, Saxton and Lachlan are like, well, we're going to go on this, like, party, which I think will be the theme of the next episode, like the Moonlight Ride or something. And she's like, ew, why? Basically. And then also when she was trying to talk to people and be social in the boat. Yeah. Did you catch where she's like, my cousin met somebody on internet dating. He turned out to be decent or something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It just, like all her facial expressions, like Parker Posey is just perfect for that role.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she's killing
SPEAKER_04:it. So the creepy Ratliff family aside, my favorite character is not even Walton Goggins, Rick. It's actually Chelsea. Protect my fellow Aries at all costs. This is like the last time. Should I buy this? It's like something I would say to you. Oh, you have to talk. I'm an Aries. They're nailing the way Aries are. And I just love her. And I'm so worried for her that she's going to die and be one of the ones that won't make it out. Because I feel like she's such a fan favorite all around right now. Like, she's making the show for
SPEAKER_00:me. Sure, absolutely, yes. Rick finally came clean on why he wants to go to Bangkok and talk to the owner of this hotel because he was told by his mother that the owner of this hotel killed his father. And he's just taking that verbatim. He said it
SPEAKER_04:was like a deathbed thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but it's still like a situation of like,
SPEAKER_04:is this really what happened? It's clearly messed with him his entire life and led him to this point. But I do think he does care for Chelsea because he did tell her what was going on. And you know what was really weird about their whole little scene even before they got on the boat? I was actually about to say this to Daniel and be like, hey, pause this. He loves when I do that in shows because I had a thought. But then she said my thought because I was like, oh, I was like, she got held up at the robbery And then she got bit by the snake. And I was like, you know, bad things come in threes. And she says it! And I was like, that's my fellow Ares. Bringing that Ares fire right there. So do we think Chelsea's going to make it out of the season okay?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I hope so. But by the end of the episode, Rick is off to Bangkok. Yeah, and
SPEAKER_04:Chelsea's going
SPEAKER_00:to go on the boat party. Yeah, she's going on the boat with the boat party. It's unclear still, and I think it's unclear to Rick, if his intent is to... what his intent is to do when he confronts this guy. I don't
SPEAKER_04:think he's very stable, so... No. Yeah. Now, speaking about people being hot when their life is falling apart, I thought that he peaked with the ghoul in Fallout, but I am loving his White Lotus character flaws in all aspects. But you know who I don't like? Greg slash Gary. Belinda, like we said, clocked that. She was, and I don't like, I agree with you, it's not going to end well for her. She actually, we saw her Googling. Yeah. Jennifer Coolidge's character, Tanya McQuaid, I think. And all this information popped up. So something, if I'm Belinda, this is what I do. I file a police report when I get home and be like, hey, this guy was spotted in Thailand. This is what's going on. This is where I last saw him. But you know, she's going to not do that. Correct. She'll probably go to the loser security guard that's too distracted by Mook, who's never going to go out with him. And I'm still on team of Mook Shady. What about you? Oh,
SPEAKER_00:I think so. I think she is. I think she is just being used. She is using the security guard. She is distracting him on purpose to let people in. See, I
SPEAKER_04:think she is dating the young guy that's like the massage therapist guy. I think they're together. I really do. And he, now we can talk about the three ladies. I don't like them calling old ladies, even though they're a joke. They're not, like, I heard somebody, I'm like, people just have no idea how old millennials are. They either think we're still 17 or they think we're, like, almost 50. Like, these women are at least... I think maybe in real life, I know they're much older than I am, but like on the show, I think they're probably like mid 40s, early 50s would be maybe they're playing younger, but they're not like elder millennials. They're a little bit older than that. And they're not senior citizens though. And so they like, I think he's doing kind of what Armand did in season one. Just, you know how Armand would like mess with what's his face. He wanted the different suite every time. It's like, you should go on this romantic cruise, but then it's where Tanya wanted to like, put her mother's ashes in the water or whatever. I think he was kind of messing with them. They're like, we want to have fun. We want to have fun and do something fun. So he sends them to like this normal hotel where it seemed to be all elderly people.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And I think the other two, Kate and the other girl with blonde hair, they're all blondes, were like laughing about it. But Jacqueline, that's the actress girl. You could tell it got in her head because this whole thing started where Jacqueline was trying to talk to her boyfriend about or partner or whatever he's not he's not picking up she needs that she needs that attention that buzz that you know kind of like because she lit up when somebody recognized her when they went there until she realized it was old they were all older people and then she was offended so then they go back and they're like well you're gonna come party with us we want to do something authentic so then he takes them to something like an authentic event where they have like water guns
SPEAKER_00:well he dropped them off in the middle of town where there's some holiday going on and that's a and basically the holiday is everybody has a water gun and they're shooting each other with it
SPEAKER_04:and my question to them is they were already in bathing suits like i would have grabbed a water gun and just had fun with it and participated what about you yeah
SPEAKER_01:they freaked out yeah they did not like
SPEAKER_04:all of them and like so then they finally meet up with him later and At a club. And I think the two guys at the club with him were involved in the robbery. That's my theory. I
SPEAKER_00:could see that.
SPEAKER_04:And I think maybe he's setting them up and that he and the other guys are going to rob them or do something. What do you think?
SPEAKER_00:I think that's possible for sure. Because so far, those three kind of are disconnected from the rest of the main characters of the show. And so they're going to have to rope in eventually at some point. At some level. Yeah. But it's unclear right now how they connect. But that might be the connection.
SPEAKER_04:Possibly. And here's another example of how people don't know age. So I'm on Reddit reading about White Lotus. And there's some wild theories there. But someone's like, guys, what if Greg is actually the guy that shot Rick's father? And I'm like, they're not like... The age difference would not... I'm sure that Greg is older than him, but not by a 10. Yeah. And I'm like, you guys just see like a balding man and think, old. Like they're all the same age. I was just... I don't know. I don't know. Have you gotten into
SPEAKER_00:any of these? No, I'm not. I'm not on White Lotus TikTok for some reason. Like, it never comes to me. That's
SPEAKER_04:interesting because I've sent you like five.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I guess I'm not
SPEAKER_04:watching them. Tsunami. And then came episode 98 with March Madness Crash Out. WVU should have been in the NCAA tournament. They got absolutely robbed. All right. So speaking of HBO, The White Lotus, this was episode five, season three, episode five.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, it's just at this point, it's Sunday night, Walton Goggins hour, two hours, because these shows are both, we're going to talk about two shows that are now coming on in the same. I'm just in my Walton Goggins era. Yeah. Like I
SPEAKER_04:just want to consume all media that he is in. I want to see him in everything. Yeah. I just love him. Go outside, nerd.
SPEAKER_00:But we talked about this. So this is White Lotus, season three, episode five. We talked about this off air a little bit. Yes. This, Mike White, the creator of this show. Genius. Made the most uncomfortable hour of episode of television I have ever seen in my entire life.
SPEAKER_04:I was exactly, yeah. It was the most, as you said, uncomfortable episode. unrelaxed episode but yet i couldn't look away because it's such a great show i was just uneasy on edge the entire time so it picked really really picked right up from where last week left off and we have some of the crew going on the moonlight boat party we've got rick going off to i guess avenge his father we've got belinda she figured out greg slash gary's secret and then we've got the three kind of like middle-aged ladies trying to live it up and recapture their youth and then we've got let's just go ahead and start with him because he's the worst one okay the world's worst security guard i have ever seen he had the gun in the last week um timothy aka malfoy took it And we all know this. Even the security guard dude knows it. So he goes back, and he looks at the footage. He sees the dude take it. So we're like, dude, you're the security guard. And he just barely approaches him at dinner or whatever.
SPEAKER_00:He waits through the whole dinner until Tim gets up to go to the bathroom.
SPEAKER_04:Come
SPEAKER_00:on. He follows him to the bathroom. He walks in the door. And instead of walking up and basically
SPEAKER_04:patting him
SPEAKER_00:down and being like, I'm security, he's just like, I think you have something I want. And Tim's just like, I don't know what you're talking about, and walks off. And it's just like, and he's That's it.
SPEAKER_04:Like, you're not going to get with Mook. You are terrible at your job. You should just go work for the NCAA selection committee, it being that awful at your job. Go away. So moving on with him, we finally have the truth revealed about Piper. No. So Piper sits down with Mommy and Daddy and says, you know what? I want to stay here. There is no thesis. I want to go live in this monastery for only a year. But you're not. a Buddhist. You want to live in Taiwan? That's what she said. She did not say
SPEAKER_00:Thailand. I didn't catch that part. I didn't realize that she said the wrong country.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it's really safe. The guy that runs it wrote a book. Charles Manson wrote a book. Bill Clinton wrote a book. Hillary Clinton wrote five books. Somebody give Parker Poser her Emmy.
SPEAKER_00:Am I right? She's really doing a great job.
SPEAKER_04:I'm out of lorazepam, so I'm going to have to drink myself to sleep.
SPEAKER_00:Meanwhile, Tim's just completely checked out.
SPEAKER_04:Barely even
SPEAKER_00:listening. Barely listening because he's contemplating, you know, using the gun that he just stole from the security office on himself later in the episode. Which is
SPEAKER_04:not great.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_04:And just really doing it. He would have done it, it looked like, until Victoria, that's her name, Victoria Ratliff, Parker Posey's character, like walked in like Timothy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So, okay, so they're the sane members of the family, if you can believe that. And then we have, let's go ahead and address the elephant in the room. We got the brothers, the flowers in the attic vibes. They are back.
SPEAKER_00:I don't like
SPEAKER_04:it. And I don't like it. I hate it. So they're with Gary slash Greg's girlfriend, wife, whatever she is, paid wife. lover, I don't know, and our wonderful, my beautiful fellow Aries, Miss Chelsea, and And we think that the boys are going to hook up with the girls. Saxon's going to try to get with Chelsea, and I don't think Chelsea's going to buy it, even though she's kind of mad because Rick didn't answer the phone. I think she's just kind of there to try to party. I hope she doesn't touch him with a 10-foot pole. And then the other girl's like, I really love it doing younger men or something, which is very uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00:Again, that was the episode, was being uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_04:That wasn't really the most uncomfortable part. The part that we've all... So they are all partying and they took some pills. Although the internet being as savvy as it is, do you think that Locke... Lachlan, whatever,
SPEAKER_00:took the pill. I didn't rewatch the clip yet
SPEAKER_04:to see. I noticed the scene they're talking about. I thought he was just spitting out part of a drink, but now people have zoomed in on it, as the internet does. So I don't know if the actor was just acting like you're stumbling around being drunk or if it was intentional and maybe he was spitting out the drug. But Saxon wasn't going to take the drug until they basically convinced him to. And then they're like, you guys should kiss. And I'm like, Daniel, would you kiss your siblings?
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I would not.
SPEAKER_04:Absolutely. Not even for like a million dollars. No, that's weird. That's dumb. That's odd. Odd behavior. Beyond odd. And they're just like, okay. So they kind of peck. And then the little one, Lachlan, just goes in for a bigger smooch. And I feel like Saxon's on drugs at this point. But you could see in his face and body language to me that he was just kind of like, all right.
SPEAKER_01:No, he's not happy about it. Is
SPEAKER_04:that how you read the room? So all this time, I still hate Saxon. Correct. Like, they're not her. Like, Victoria, I feel like, hates Piper and thinks her boys are perfect. Guess what, honey? They're not. But now I'm really thinking that maybe Saxon is just your typical frat boy, douche-type behavior, like, meathead. And I'm thinking that Lachlan is the one that might have some issues. And the power dynamics, I think, have switched now. He went in for the second kiss. It was very weird. How do we think– what's going to come about of that? Like, I'm– I just– ah! Ha ha ha!
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I think awkward next conversation in the next episode. Cause we didn't really see like a lot of the other characters for this episode. We kind of got to see not necessarily a full wrap up, but a little bit, but that after that moment, that was the last we saw of those characters on the boat.
SPEAKER_04:Chelsea's face in that scene when they were kissing was everyone's face. You see, she was like this, like,
SPEAKER_00:yeah,
SPEAKER_04:like you guys can't see it, but I just made a face at Daniel. I feel like Lachlan too. Like clearly I think the character is struggling with a sexuality that doesn't mean go make out with your brother what are you doing ah so i i don't know and i'm uncomfortable the whole situation gives me major ick did your opinion my opinion on saxon being a jerk did not change but my opinion on who's the creepiest one in the family did
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Like, I still don't like Saxton, but he seems to be not as nefarious as he came off. Not to say nefarious, because, like, again, the other one's just a kid who's trying to figure himself out. Kissing your brother ain't the way to do it, buddy. Yeah, kissing your brother is not necessarily the way to do it.
SPEAKER_04:Just know. But who knows what Mike White's going to have in store next week. I can tell you one thing, Mike White absolutely nailed female friendship dynamics the whole time. Okay, so we've got Jacqueline. We've got, I think, Katie, the one with the short hair. And I forget what the other one's name, the other blonde. They're all blondes. So they're out partying with the guys, one of the guys that works at the hotel. And all the week, Jacqueline's been trying to encourage the other one to hook up with him because she's the single one. And we all know the reason why she wanted to go out and party was she wanted attention. She wanted to feel special. Whoever her partner is isn't answering her calls. Looks like he's ghosting her. And all this time, I've been waiting. I was like, she's going to hook up with him first to get the power back and to feel special. And lo and behold, she did it and the whole scene at the nightclub was executed perfectly from Jacqueline looking around to see if other women were looking and then her getting that devilish smile that she was the center of attention and other women were supposedly jealous of her Absolutely perfection. That entire scene made me never want to go to a club. You never were into clubbing, were you?
SPEAKER_00:No, and every time I see a club depicted in fiction, it looks like my decision-making about not going to them was 100% correct. In my youth, I did enjoy the club
SPEAKER_04:scene.
SPEAKER_00:People were there being annoying. I
SPEAKER_04:feel like I would have been more Katie in this episode. They're like, are we going to go home
SPEAKER_00:now? It's dark. It's like
SPEAKER_04:an Abercrombie store.
SPEAKER_00:I don't want to be in those.
SPEAKER_04:I know. I know you don't. So, yeah. I just... I don't know. I will address something that I have seen some comments come up. You know they had the political discourse conversation, and some people were like, oh, it's just bias against one side. I felt like the girl that– I'm not going to put his name on the podcast– the supporter of one political figure that– very controversial. I feel like she came off the most likable of the friend group.
SPEAKER_00:In this episode, yes.
SPEAKER_04:She was the more mature one that was like, okay, can we just go to bed? When they brought the drinks over, I was like, oh my gosh, you didn't even see them get the drinks from the bar. Do not drink that. She was like, I'm not drinking that.
SPEAKER_00:Especially considering that she and one of the other, of the three ladies, she and one of the other are attached to partners.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So there's only one of them that is single. The single one is not
SPEAKER_04:the one that hooked up.
SPEAKER_00:That was Jacqueline. It's like, what are we doing here? What end does this go to?
SPEAKER_04:Jacqueline wanted to feel validated. She wanted to feel superior and including superior to show her friends that she's still the hot one. She's the air girl. She could get it. And the whole time she was pumping the one friend up, like every previous episode, I've just got this feeling. You probably didn't even think anything of that because you don't speak English.
SPEAKER_00:Mean girl. I don't speak mean girl. I
SPEAKER_04:was like, she's going to absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:I'm going to wear that one as a badge of honor.
SPEAKER_04:So now my theory that he is dating Mook is out. Or he still could be.
SPEAKER_00:See, I haven't gotten any indication that there is any connection between them yet. And I feel like if the show was going to do that, they would have given us some sort of weird hint somewhere along the line. I don't even think we've seen them in the same scene.
SPEAKER_04:I just thought that... I think they did. He talked to the world's worst security guard. And I guess I was theorizing that maybe if he and Mook weren't dating, that they were in on it, the breaking together. But now I'm just thinking the security guard is just the village idiot. I don't know. I don't know where Mike White's going with this.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_04:I will say definitely in that one scene where one of the friends is talking to Kate and starts going in about his family trauma. I've had that happen to me from Perfect Strangers in clubs and bars and stuff before. I'm in the bathroom at a bar and some random lady comes up to me and just starts spilling her guts to me. And I'm like, it's okay, sweetie. I've been there where you're like, my cousin so-and-so died. And you're just like, whoa. Like, just... Yeah, have you ever had just a stranger just randomly and you're just trying to like...
SPEAKER_00:Talk to me, yes, not spill their guts. They just talk to me about other random stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Your interactions with strangers, people always assume because you're tall that you'll help get them something off a shelf.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I'm the tall guy that the ladies always ask, hey, can you get this down for me? And that one time at
SPEAKER_04:Walmart, you made the mistake of wearing a blue polo and khakis.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. That's when people thought I worked there. Actually, I'll be honest, like... I have been approached at Walmart multiple times as if I work there. It's not just been one time.
SPEAKER_04:So that happens to you and I get strangers to tell me their life's tragedies in bathrooms and cry on my shoulder.
SPEAKER_01:We're blessed.
SPEAKER_04:All right. So speaking of tragedies, Belinda. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:They want to keep that stuff out of their resort. They don't want their resort's name involved in any of that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_04:I'm worried for Belinda.
SPEAKER_00:I'm worried for Belinda as well. Although...
SPEAKER_04:She did hook up.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, she did. I don't know. We are... And, of course, Mike White, the producer, creator of the show, has done a perfect job of basically, like, starting the season off with this, we all know... A shooting is going to go down in the resort. And I think her
SPEAKER_04:son is showing up in the preview
SPEAKER_00:next week. And multiple times now, they just continue to show us conflict. Who could it be? Because now we've got Tim running around with a gun. He hasn't used it on himself. Therefore, he has one. And I'm concocting in my mind, what if he ends up stopping the shooter and becomes a hero?
SPEAKER_04:And then we have Rick.
SPEAKER_00:And then we have Rick, who's gotten a hold of a gun in Bangkok. And so we're assuming he's going to be back from Bangkok by the time the end of the show takes place. So he has a gun. The security guard doesn't have a gun. And so it's just... They're building tension over the course of the season. And I think that a lot of people I've seen online who are impatient... They're missing the point, I think, of what's happening here. I feel like he's building it
SPEAKER_04:beautifully. I didn't dislike season two, but I feel like all the season two fans are the ones that aren't liking this one as much. This is taking me back to season one, weaving the story
SPEAKER_02:in,
SPEAKER_04:and I'm just excited what comes next. I can't wait. I think we have, is it three more episodes?
SPEAKER_00:I think it is three, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we've got three more episodes. And the next episode is entitled Niles, Episode 7, Killer Instincts. And there is not a title on the final episode. But the description, according to IMDb, says, at a tropical resort, this is for the finale, at a tropical resort, guests and staff experience a full week of adventurous secrets and unexpected encounters that shape their lives forever. So we have to also talk about Rick.
SPEAKER_00:It feels like he did the least in this episode, but yet has the most memorable scene.
SPEAKER_04:What's that actor's name?
SPEAKER_00:So he meets up with Sam Rockwell who
SPEAKER_04:is married or dating Leslie Bibb who plays Kate in real life. Do we think that they just told Mike White told Sam Rockwell just here I want you to talk about things like this but just go for it and do this monologue.
SPEAKER_00:And then they didn't tell Walton Goggins what he was going to talk about?
SPEAKER_04:Or is Walton Goggins just that amazing of an actor?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I don't know. I think it could be an interesting way to go either way. But yeah, it was a...
SPEAKER_04:It was a very weird conversation.
SPEAKER_00:A weird and graphic conversation. But I think it speaks to the...
SPEAKER_04:The uncomfortableness and anxiety of the
SPEAKER_00:episode? Well, yes. It matched the anxiety of the episode. But it also, like, Rick is going through some stuff. Yeah. And he's... to a certain extent, trying to ignore it.
SPEAKER_04:His face is that we listen, but we don't judge.
SPEAKER_00:But now he's met up with this friend who he's had. He got the gun. Who he got the gun from. And he even said, hey, I might need you tomorrow night for some help, right? So then we may see him again if he chooses to go forward with whatever it is he's going to go forward with, which I'm not even entirely sure he knows what he's going to do. Because he's trying to find the person that killed his father. Yeah. So so that was that. But but but he's hearing he's seeing he's talked to the therapist at the resort. Now he's talked to his friend who's gone through. Ultimately, his friend went through all this wild stuff and now he's a Buddhist.
SPEAKER_04:I think there's still going to be something going on with the blender because I kept bringing it up. But honestly, I'm loving this season. I look forward to every Sunday, even though to quote Victoria about this last episode. Well, that was stressful. I was going to have a grand mal seizure.
SPEAKER_00:In episode 99, Peanut Butter Egg Drama, we discussed the White Lotus season three. But more importantly, we discussed why peanut butter cups, Reese's peanut butter cups and Reese's peanut butter eggs are the same thing.
SPEAKER_04:They are not the same thing. Everybody with a palate knows that the egg is superior to the cup in every level. It's all about the ratio, you dummy.
SPEAKER_00:The White Lotus season three, episode six.
SPEAKER_04:Piper, no.
SPEAKER_00:Entitled Denials.
SPEAKER_01:This
SPEAKER_00:is kind of the fallout episode from the previous episode where we kind of see...
SPEAKER_04:The two brothers.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We got... Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:They did stuff. They did stuff. They did stuff. And we're not going to go into great detail, but they did stuff. Together. And both of them seem to be having... feelings about how they feel about that different feelings I think but
SPEAKER_04:yeah do you think okay so let's walk it back we wake up on the boat Saxon clearly hungover drunk he is having some images of what happened but not exactly what he is seeing in his brain is not exactly what happened with the you know intimate moments let's put it that way and he says he doesn't remember anything now Lachlan comes over and is like I didn't remember anything do you believe that Lachlan didn't remember anything do you think his memory because we see a scene later where Lachlan's with his sister at the Buddhism place and he's like meditating and suddenly he sees the images of what happened
SPEAKER_00:see do we think
SPEAKER_04:Lachlan remembered in that moment or not
SPEAKER_00:if you had asked me before that scene at the Buddhist temple if he remembered anything I would say he did and he was just
SPEAKER_04:also repressing
SPEAKER_00:it repressing it in that social contract where you two people can look at each other and know something weird happened and go we're never going to talk about this again without actually saying that but the scene at the Buddhist temple where he has the flash kind of leads me to believe maybe he did not actually remember what happened and that was his kind of coming back to him because you know they had he's 18 um they had had a lot of alcohol and recreational drugs on the course over the course of that night it's not out of the realm of possibility i
SPEAKER_04:feel like he well he i think his reaction to it upon realization is more of a confused like did that really just happen whereas saxon's is like disgust oh my gosh i have been violated obviously saxon is a despicable character but i think in this moment with what What happened? I feel like Lachlan was like the bad guy in the scene and the aggressor, so to speak. I really do. Have you seen the preview for next week? He is shirtless on the bed with his sister. I hope that's just Mike White trying to throw us all off because I can't take the trifecta of Flowers in the Attic children. I can't.
SPEAKER_00:I have not seen the next episode. Speaking of the sister, so she had told her parents last episode why she actually wanted to come to Thailand. You want to live
SPEAKER_04:in Taiwan?
SPEAKER_00:And she gets them to agree to go meet with the head monk at the temple to talk to him and kind of get more comfortable. I have
SPEAKER_04:seen the conditions and it is dire.
SPEAKER_00:Tim is going through it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He talks to the monk and actually seems to kind of be comforted by him. And I do want to say, you know, I'm not familiar with Buddhism in any way. I felt like the explanation of what happens when we die that was given there was mildly comforting. That was very nice. To a certain extent. And so he comes out and basically seems like he doesn't have a problem with it. And so Parker Posey gives the... The ultimatum. Victoria gives the ultimatum to basically, well, stay here for one night. and see if you like and if you come and you say you want to stay here then you can stay.
SPEAKER_04:Her trying to talk to the monks that weren't speaking was taking me out. She just please give Parker Posey all of the awards for
SPEAKER_00:this. I don't think they know English. They didn't speak because they're probably on a vow of silence. I wish
SPEAKER_04:I could have seen her talk to the like leader monk guy. I felt like though when it comes to Piper I think right now we're seeing just poor little bored rich girl syndrome that wants a different life wants something out there. I don't think her A lot of people are saying, is she like Quinn, the boy that ended up staying in Hawaii from season one? I don't think so. I think it's different. Quinn had felt ostracized and wanted something different for himself. I think she's just at a place where she's like, where's my life going? And this is just the fad that she wants to try to get away from her parents. Because at the end of the day, she was like, I need mom and dad's support because if they don't support her, she's not going to have the money to fly out there again and go stay. I don't know. We'll see. It was giving me boredom. little rich girl syndrome who just wants to try to be something she's not and break away from her family a little bit. A little hint of a dash of rebellion. But maybe I'm wrong. We'll see. I
SPEAKER_00:certainly see the spoiled little rich girl part. I do think she I feel like she's genuine in her desire to come here and stay. So I don't know that I would use the word fad necessarily. You could
SPEAKER_04:have a bunch of sister wives.
SPEAKER_00:But I do think that she does not know the full extent of what she would be getting herself into by committing to that or she does know that and she's not sure that she's going to be able to fully commit to it which is why she needs the parental to support otherwise if she goes without their support they're not just going to be able to fly her they're not going to just fly her home whenever she wants
SPEAKER_04:i think it's a hint of rebellion too a little bit in a different way it's just i don't know At least it gave us some comedy. And then, like, we come back, and they're back at the room, and basically Victoria just pops off on Tim. She's like, you want to encourage this? For her to live in a monastery? Is that what she says?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. But that leads them to the conversation they had where, because from last episode, we know Tim was seriously considering ending his own life.
SPEAKER_04:Well, he's basically like, shouldn't we teach our kids, you know, to rough it and to to make it on their own because what if they're not going to have all this stuff someday and she's like why wouldn't they
SPEAKER_00:yeah and then she makes the comment basically like well why would I want to live that way
SPEAKER_04:yeah she's like we want to raise them to be afraid to be poor
SPEAKER_00:that is honestly furthering his descent into a bad place by hearing that
SPEAKER_04:he's like what if it went away she's like well honestly I wouldn't want she's like well I wouldn't want it I think at this point in my age I wouldn't want to live uncomfortably or whatever she says and I'm like Preaching honey.
SPEAKER_00:But it's also like really damaging to him and his psyche because he basically is hearing that his wife is not going to be at his side when all this stuff goes down. I
SPEAKER_04:think he went from a place of sort of feeling at peace from that monk. Like maybe it would be okay. And this is going to teach Piper that she can, you know, do more to have riches. And then Victoria's like, why would I want to live uncomfortably at my age? Not Piper, Victoria. I always think of Victoria because of the whole Piper-ness. No. Do you agree with Victoria a little bit, though? Could you go back? And I'll phrase it for you this way. We'll take the money out of it, okay? I'm going to change it
SPEAKER_00:up for you a little bit. Hit me
SPEAKER_04:up. Huh?
SPEAKER_00:Hit me up.
SPEAKER_04:Could you go back to living in a tiny shoebox dorm with a roommate, with communal showers, and that type of life? As fun as dorm life was, could you do that again? I don't
SPEAKER_00:think I could. Do I want to? Absolutely not. If I had to do it, to ensure my survival, yeah, I could do it.
SPEAKER_04:I guess I'm thinking of want versus could.
SPEAKER_00:Right, and I think that in Victoria's mind, both of those are a no. She doesn't want to do it. My girl's without
SPEAKER_04:her lorazepam,
SPEAKER_00:though. And she could not do it. You
SPEAKER_04:have to understand, she doesn't have her lorazepam. I have to go drink myself to sleep now. Well, speaking of other people in this storyline... world's worst security guard of
SPEAKER_00:all time.
SPEAKER_04:He went into their room and took the gun. He
SPEAKER_00:somehow found the gun.
SPEAKER_04:So when Timothy tries to go look for it, because now his head's completely messed again. he's not going to find it. I feel like he can't really get mad about that because he stole it in the first
SPEAKER_00:place. I'm telling you right now, I'm going to make a prediction. Because of the shelf that he put it in with all those different boxes, he's going to have a freak out. All those things are going to... There's going to be a scene where he's just pulling all those boxes out. Like when I
SPEAKER_04:try to find an outfit that I insisted was in a drawer and I can't find it.
SPEAKER_00:Because he's going to not remember exactly which one he put it in and start just pulling them all out when it's not there in the one he thought it was in. I
SPEAKER_04:could see that.
SPEAKER_00:I'm kind of... Him finding that gun so quickly and just getting it right back to his thing and his boss never found out that it was gone and then he goes to the shooting range and shoots it. I didn't see that coming. I kind of thought once Tim had the gun, that was it.
SPEAKER_04:I feel like he kind of found it in the nick of time. Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:he did.
SPEAKER_04:His storyline's a bore. I really don't like the little security. It's not boring. That's not what I mean. I bet he is a bore as a person. He's a terrible security guard. Worst
SPEAKER_00:security guard ever. He should have
SPEAKER_04:been like, hey, I need to search you. And that was the previous episode, and Tim was just like, no. By the way, there are people in the world that don't know the phrase Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. I saw that on TikTok, and I'm like, that must be a thing from southern Appalachian and southern and down. Because when Saxon's in there trying to make his little shake with his stupid blender because he's had just the worst night ever. And she's doing that. She's trying to talk to Timothy. And Victoria's like, Jesus, Mary, and Joseph Saxon just took me out.
SPEAKER_00:Well, there's plenty of people that didn't grow up in the good old Bible Belt.
SPEAKER_04:I guess not. Okay, so the moment where Saxon found out what happened, he's talking to the two girls. Chelsea's face was like, basically, I feel like she spoke for all of us. We're like, yeah, we're not judging. He's like, no, that's not what we do. So I have to ask you, because I'm seeing... mixed opinions on this and the way I fall on it is I do he's a jerk but I do feel bad for him in this moment do you feel bad for Saxon I don't think anybody deserves to get assaulted which I basically feel like happened
SPEAKER_00:yeah I mean there's some sympathy there I mean I will say like he was the pusher to put him in that situation in the first place and he was the pusher to be like he
SPEAKER_04:didn't want to take the drugs
SPEAKER_00:he didn't want to take the drugs you're right and I don't
SPEAKER_04:think he would have done that if he hadn't taken the drugs
SPEAKER_00:sure but he pushed him to that situation and And he also was the one talking to his brother about, you know, let's get with these girls and all this stuff. What did
SPEAKER_04:it mean, let's get with each
SPEAKER_00:other? I'm not saying he got what he deserved. That's not what I'm saying. I think, you know, obviously he didn't ask for that. he's not completely innocent in that situation either
SPEAKER_04:but I still feel bad at him having this realization and it could be like maybe he's thinking like did I encourage this
SPEAKER_00:right exactly yeah
SPEAKER_04:I don't know we'll see how it plays off sometimes I feel like the toxic brand of man that Saxon is might double down on it and actually get meaner about it and not be like what have I done what's going on and it could we might have one the next second where we're mad at him again I really hope the whole Lachlan and Piper because Lachlan's gonna stay overnight with Piper at the monastery and I'm hoping that whole like shirtless in the bed with his sister is just a since we're all like ah about what happened although they have some creepy vibes too I think I just can't I think Lachlan is confused about a lot of her things and we're seeing that play out on screen so speaking of not confused but throwing it telling it like how it is my girl Lori I finally figured out one of the How many episodes? Six. Instead of the three blondes. Lori's done with being fake.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So Kate tells her that Jacqueline snuck... Is his name Nico?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think so. Every
SPEAKER_04:time I... You know what I think about?
SPEAKER_00:No, I don't.
SPEAKER_04:Nicolage. Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Every time I think of this guy's name. So Kate spills the beans about that. And Jacqueline... Who, by the way... Not Jacqueline. Lori. Who, by the way... The power of... a white woman being able to overcome a severe hangover. How she was able to just
SPEAKER_00:talk and chat at breakfast after that night. I paused the show and be like, if I had done half of what they had done the night before, I'd still be comatose up in the bed. It makes
SPEAKER_04:sense why Kate was down there eating breakfast because she didn't have the drinks. She wanted to go to bed the whole time. Jacqueline did look tired and a little hungover and her boyfriend, husband, whatever, finally checked in with her and So Kate tells Lori this, and Lori's like, I'm sick of Jacqueline. Fake stuff. She's like, she was pushing Nico on me all week. Then it's just classic Jacqueline. Same crap she's done since 10th grade. And I feel like this dynamic of female friendships reminds you of the people that you were friends with when you were younger. You grow and you change from, but then when you get together, you just act exactly like you did in high school. So many women, I think, can relate to that experience. I'm not sure about you dudes. But so many women can
SPEAKER_00:relate to that. Not in the same way, but I do think people easily fall back into those roles that were established in high school when they get around those types of
SPEAKER_04:people. And you have Kate. Well, she's one of the ones leading the charge of the gossip. When Jacqueline and Lori are actually confronting each other, she's like, oh, no, no, no. I thought that was funny. Yeah. And I'm like, get her, get her, Lori. And then Jacqueline's just acting like basically gaslighting her friends. Like, oh, that didn't happen. You didn't see anything. And then Jacqueline, who's been the queen of gossip, too, is like, why is everybody gossiping about me? So these three broads, I'm about had it with them except for Lori. And somebody pointed out to you about how each of their, like, jobs and kind of what they do matches up with them like Lori's the lawyer so of course she's going to tell you what it is Jacqueline's the actress desperate to hang on her youth of course she's going to try to have her own spin her own image story and then Kate does the whole like charity work and stuff so she's going to just be like try to be a nice one even though they're all talking about each other then Belinda's son finally showed up
SPEAKER_00:finally shows up catches him in the catches her in the sack with her masseuse guy
SPEAKER_04:which he seems surprisingly chill about
SPEAKER_00:yeah he did it didn't seem like that was the first time
SPEAKER_04:not phased yeah but now we've got gary slash greg who ran into belinda
SPEAKER_00:inviting her up to the party which is probably next episode
SPEAKER_04:and he's also told chloe that's his wife's name who did had the event with both brothers on the boat and So he told her to go find Saxon and tell her to invite Saxon and Lachlan to this boat party, but Lachlan's not going to be able to be there because he's going to be with Piper at the monestary. I
SPEAKER_00:don't know why he wants them both there. I
SPEAKER_04:think that he has security cameras on the boat and watches the whole thing, and he knows that they're a rich family and wants to blackmail them and get more money. That's what I think he's there for.
SPEAKER_00:And
SPEAKER_04:I think he wants to threaten Belinda.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think that's what's happening, but I wonder if he's going to throw us a loop because he's being really weird about Greg. Or maybe he wants
SPEAKER_04:to have some fun with all of them.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:And then Walton Goggins' character, Rick... And his friend that's, you know, who is this girl I see that wants to be an Asian woman, Sam Rockwell's character, they get back together and he's like, I need you to pretend to be like this movie producer guy to get into the hotel lady's house. We see him come face to face with a man that allegedly shot his father. My theory is that that man is his father.
SPEAKER_00:You think?
SPEAKER_04:I think so. But who knows? I
SPEAKER_00:mean, it's possible. I don't really know where they're going with that. Because I'm pretty sure Rick has said multiple times he was very young. so he probably wouldn't really remember what he looked like. You'd think he'd have a picture.
SPEAKER_04:Couldn't you imagine, though, a parent on their deathbed and being like, your dad was killed because maybe they didn't want to admit that their dad left them?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's true. That's possible. But I
SPEAKER_04:don't know what Mike White has up his sleeve. It could be totally different than what we're thinking, but just like I trust the Severance team of writers, I trust Mike White to let's make it weird.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, it's going to be weird. But not too weird. We didn't get to see him either. And that, I think, was a pivotal shot. They intentionally kept us from seeing the face of the guy. Like, we heard his voice, but we didn't see his face. So I think that's an important detail that we're going to get to see more of. I don't need any
SPEAKER_04:brother-sister action, though, next week, y'all. I just don't.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we could leave that part. We could leave that part out.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, it's my turn. In episode 100, oddly enough, our conversation continued in our the 100th episode. Well, you know, episode 100 was our 100th.
SPEAKER_00:We have watched a little bit of TV this week. After we got over the loss of Severance and not being able to watch that. I
SPEAKER_04:was going to say that, too. But you said wait first.
SPEAKER_00:We had to wait all weekend on... all Sunday, all the way until 9 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time to watch The White Lotus, Season 3, Episode 7.
SPEAKER_04:Basically, Sunday is Walton Goggins night. For those of you that don't know. I
SPEAKER_00:saw a little bit too much of Walton Goggins this week, though. Not in the White Lotus, though. No, not in the White Lotus.
SPEAKER_04:All right. So this episode, a lot happened. And a lot happened and a lot was revealed. But that being said, I felt like it was kind of a little calmer from the ick of the previous episode, if that makes any sense. But still a lot of things going on. So we've got Rick... he's with Sam Rockwell and they're at the lady's house that owns the hotel so he can meet the man that supposedly killed his father I'm team that is his father oh
SPEAKER_00:yeah I think that's gonna yeah I think that's what we're gonna find out
SPEAKER_04:I have been on that side of it the whole time so Sam Rockwell is just he just brought in for like the the comedy we've got this like serious intense conversation with Rick and her husband yeah and then we've got Sam Rockwell pretending to be some like Holly with director with the woman and he's like oh that's like Peter Pan meets Michael Jackson meets Pippen and then we and then we've got Rick being like Didn't he mention his mom's name? And the guy did repeat his mom's name and was like, oh.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think the guy recognized the name.
SPEAKER_04:But instead of shooting him, he did the right thing and just casually pushed the old man out of his chair. My question is, are they going to return to the hotel? Because now there's... What's going on?
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, because once... Because
SPEAKER_04:Chelsea's still at the hotel.
SPEAKER_00:Chelsea's at the hotel. And they own the hotel. And the way Rick got to meet this guy is by convincing his wife, the owner of the hotel, that... they wanted to put her in a movie. So she knows where he's staying. But
SPEAKER_04:he hasn't returned yet because he and Sam Rockwell's character decided to go out and party. I hope that Rick doesn't cheat on Chelsea.
SPEAKER_00:At this point in the show, so we all know from episode one, a shootout is going to take place in the hotel. Because next week's the last episode.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:At this point, and we'll talk about the other storylines here in a second, it is feasible that you could believe that just about everybody wants to shoot somebody.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right? So who's it going to be? And I guarantee it's going to be out of left field.
SPEAKER_04:I really like, do you think one of the monkeys is going to do that, like what
SPEAKER_00:TikTok says? I've seen a popular theory on that. I don't think they're going to do that.
SPEAKER_04:I don't think so either. They did focus a lot on the monkeys in this
SPEAKER_00:first episode. Early, but they haven't for a while.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, they showed the monkey statue at the beginning of this one. Yeah. I did like how this was, this episode I call it an ADHDer's dream because it was like one scene clip, one scene clip, one scene clip, and it wasn't just so focused. And I could see some people being annoyed by that. I liked the pace scene, and I liked how they had the fight scenes interspersing between each scene.
SPEAKER_00:Well, because everybody was in conflict to a certain extent in this episode.
SPEAKER_04:So we have the three ladies. We've got Lori that basically just totally called Jacqueline out. Then we've got Kate still trying to make nice. So they're just crumbling. But Lori, I feel like even though what Jacqueline said was mean to Lori, we'll just go ahead and get into her storyline now. In a way, there was some truth to it, even though Jacqueline was a little rude about it. She was like, if you keep drawing the short stick in life, do you really have bad luck? And I was like, what a mean thing to say. But then Lori turns around and makes some terrible decisions, at least when Jacqueline hooked up with, by the way, his name's not Nico, it's
SPEAKER_00:Valentin. I
SPEAKER_04:don't know why we called him Nico.
SPEAKER_00:Is anybody in the show named Nico?
SPEAKER_04:No. If you're a longtime listener of this show, you'll know we're bad with names. So when Jacqueline hooked up with Valentin, she did it at the hotel security. Well, Lori just goes off to this Valentine's friend's apartment i'm assuming first she's accepting beverages from him that he hands to her because she decided to abandon the girls and go to the fight so she just goes to like his apartment and he clearly has a girlfriend or something so that that's just a bad decision right there and then we find out which we already kind of knew this because the world's worst security guard finally formed a thought
SPEAKER_00:yeah so he and mook at the fight also was was
SPEAKER_04:apparently mook get through him a bone in their
SPEAKER_00:own yeah and the security guard and they're having their first day and they go eat and then they're at the fight. Do you
SPEAKER_04:think she likes him? Or do you think maybe she wants somebody with job security? I thought she was never going to go out with him. So that surprised me.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know. I still think there's something to her that hasn't been revealed yet.
SPEAKER_04:Agreed. So like you said, they're at the fights.
SPEAKER_00:He sees Lori. He sees Valentin and his friends. And he recognizes one of the friends as one of the guys who robbed him.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And then he starts to put it together.
SPEAKER_04:And that is one of the ones. So I think just as we thought, I do think Valentin drove up to distract him and then his buddies came in and did it. I don't think Valentina is some innocent flower whatsoever. So Lori straight up is trying to escape out the window at this guy's place after they hooked up and she sees all the jewelry. So we have two people that know. Lori knows and is his name Gaddock?
SPEAKER_01:Gaddock.
SPEAKER_04:He knows. So my money on the two of them just based on him trying to get the gun from Timothy is I feel like she's more willing to say something about it than he is. For sure. I don't know. So she makes some poor choices. But the big reveal is we know who robbed. The question is, what's he going to do about it?
SPEAKER_00:My guess is instead of doing what he should do, which is go to his boss and say, hey, I was at the fight the other night and I saw this guy and he looks exactly like the guy who robbed us. And oh, by the way, he was hanging out with one of our employees. He is going to, because of what's been put into his head this entire season about stepping up and being a man, he's going to try and solve it on his own and it's going to work out poorly. That's not a
SPEAKER_04:great idea. I'm still sus, like you said. I'm still sus about Mook. So... Let's go over to Timothy and Queen Victoria. Timothy, you were waiting for that scene of him to look for the gun. At this point, Timothy feels like he's going to have to off his whole family because he had a conversation with Saxon where Saxon was like, I'm nothing without this job. I need this job. What's going on? So he's like, oh crap, I'm going to have to kill my wife because I just don't think at this age I'm meant to live an uncomfortable life. So you said that the moment he hid the gun, you were like, I can't wait for the scene where he tries to find it and is going through all the drawers. Did that scene deliver?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's exactly what i would have done just suddenly this panic of like wait is it in what maybe i forgot which one i put it in yeah and he just ends up like pulling them all through to try and find it and realize it's not there
SPEAKER_04:i think it's insane how he takes victoria's pills with no water he just fully just raw dogs
SPEAKER_00:yeah like i i can't if i have to do that with ib if i have to do it like if i'm hurting bad and i have no other option i can but it's not something i prefer to do i
SPEAKER_04:need like a good amount of liquid
SPEAKER_00:to get my preference is a nice cold beverage to go along Along with my pills, yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. I feel like that's most people. So Victoria, I feel like she's getting a little more sassy without the pills, but still delivering us great lines. Every episode, Parker Posey has amazing lines. So we all know Gary Gregg wants Belinda and all these people to come to this party.
SPEAKER_01:Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So Saxon comes and tells his parents, we're going to this party. And she's like, the boat people? But then she goes anyway, and she goes over and talks to one of the pretty girls that was on the boat and she's like come to North Carolina with me she's basically like we can get you set up with a respectable nice rich man so that was iconic legendary and then my favorite scene of her she's in bed in her little nightgown and she's praying and Timothy's like what are you doing she's like I'm praying that Piper has a miserable time and that Jesus will get her away from these Buddhists just please protect her at all costs because she's she's hilarious
SPEAKER_00:i think she's safe
SPEAKER_04:i hope so i sure hope so So back to the party. Now, Belinda, Gary Gregg basically comes up to Belinda and he more or less says like, oh, so you recognize me. Believe me, I wanted a fresh start. I didn't kill my wife, but I'll give you all this money because I know Tanya said that you wanted to start a business. My opinion, that's not him being generous. That's him being shut your mouth money.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, for sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So do you agree with Belinda's son that she should go ahead and take the money? She said she had to sleep on it.
SPEAKER_00:I think you got to take it and you got to get out of there. Whether you take the check from him and don't do anything with it because you feel bad because it's...
SPEAKER_04:Like she said, though, she's like, that could make me an accomplice to murder. I would say not. Maybe take the money, leave,
SPEAKER_00:then go to the cops and give them the check. What's the guy going to do to you if you refuse to take it is the question. That's what her son said. He's going to try and kill you if you don't.
SPEAKER_04:Couldn't she just take it, go fly home, and then report everything she knows to the cops and just give them the money?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. So that party was weird. I'm very confused about Chloe... was revealed to Chelsea and Saxon saying that
SPEAKER_00:Gary Greg wants to watch
SPEAKER_04:does he have an Oedipus complex
SPEAKER_00:he wants to watch
SPEAKER_04:because he said like as he used to watch his parents yeah when he was younger what
SPEAKER_00:he likes to watch
SPEAKER_04:see I've thought that he wanted Saxon and Lachlan to be on the boat so he could be like hey I saw what you two were doing and he knows their family's rich and blackmail them for money but maybe that's not the case Chelsea's facial expressions every scene are just me So like, what, what? So Chelsea and Saxon like go off and he's like, I, cause she told him, you know, you don't have a soul, you're soulless. And she's like, tries to help him meditate and give him books. But then of course, Saxon's not changed. He tries to instantly like touch her hands more. And I think sometimes where people have been violated, they try to take back the power by maybe doing it to somebody else. But yeah. He did listen to her when she was like, no.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think he's a guy, through the experiences that he's had on the episode, he's a guy on the edge of teetering on the edge of which way am I going to fall here? What lesson from all of this that's happened to me, what lesson am I going to learn? Is it a good lesson or is it a bad lesson? Because he was also saying... He
SPEAKER_04:almost had me convinced for
SPEAKER_00:a second. He was saying, I have nothing. But it's recognition... Okay? That he needs to change as a person. But then he goes trying that stuff with Chelsea and you wonder, okay, what's he really going for here? He
SPEAKER_04:almost had me convinced that he was trying to find something new in life. And then I was like, oh, no.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_04:And... Chelsea, I have a new take on her. I think that she, well, she says Rick's her soulmate. I think she likes a project. She likes somebody damaged. I think she can't stand Saxon, but I do think this episode, by the way, she hurriedly rushed out of the room. I think she can't stand him, but she's low-key into him. I'm just going to throw that out there.
SPEAKER_00:My Aries girl, I see you. I see you, girl. Rick is off doing his thing. She doesn't know exactly what's going to happen to him, and this kid could be another project.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And that's why she kind of sprinted out of the room. So Lachlan and Piper. nothing weird thank thank goodness no more flowers in the attic like activity among siblings but i think we have it confirmed that piper just wants to escape from her family because lachlan mentioned he was like you know maybe i'll stay too and her reaction to that was not great
SPEAKER_00:i don't even know if it's necessarily an escape for her family as just being you know she goes and she just stays at this monastery for a year and now she's got that thing that she can that interesting thing about her to feel special about but if If he comes and does it too, then it's not special
SPEAKER_04:anymore. I feel like I'm getting the impression that he is the really smart one of the three siblings.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. The
SPEAKER_01:way they've behaved. I feel that way too, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I don't know. Her whole vibe was off. And then Daniel's like, oh, do they get their own rooms? I could probably stay somewhere like this. And I just turn and I say, you want to stay in some dirty monastery with a bunch of kids with no purpose?
SPEAKER_00:It's unclear to me if everybody gets their own room or if they're just in rooms because they're visiting, but they're not actually staying the full time. Because I imagined they were going to be in this like hostile- This hostel room was just a bunch of bunk beds and everybody was laying in there.
SPEAKER_04:I just don't think I'm meant to live in a comfortable life.
SPEAKER_00:So they built a bunch of tension with this episode. It was a slower paced episode but they built tension to the next episode where we find out Who's shooting who, who's dead. And have you seen
SPEAKER_04:the preview for it?
SPEAKER_00:No, I haven't seen
SPEAKER_04:it yet. The preview has the infamous blender again and the mentioning of poisonous fruit. And I'm like, is Timothy going to prep some killjoy smoothies for his whole family? Like at this point, my poor Timothy. And you had some really good observations about Timothy that you shared with me earlier today. Do you remember what you said?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, he's... About what he's going through. His... Every single person in his family, maybe Piper hasn't so much. The two younger ones haven't. But his wife and his oldest son, they very much made it a point to have conversations with him. Say, your value is your job. Your value is the money that you're bringing into this family. With Tim, of course, knowing that when he gets back to America, things are going to be bad. There's going to be an investigation. He
SPEAKER_04:screwed up.
SPEAKER_00:He screwed up. But he's only looking at a couple months in jail with a plea deal. And it's like, that's honestly getting off pretty good. But because of the implications of that, he won't be able to work in the job that he has anymore. He won't be bringing the income anymore. And the things that his wife has said about not being able to live a comfortable life. And his son saying, my job is... all that I am and all the, by the way, the only reason I have my job is because of you. So if you aren't capable, you know what I mean? Like it's all gone. And so it's a, it's commentary on him, him as a man feeling like there's a lot of pressure on men in this society to be, you know, to bring in, to be a value. And the only way that a lot of people or a lot of either perceive it or we perceive it upon ourselves is the way we bring value is having a job that brings in money. And there are other ways that we can be valued and loved. And so I think that's what they're trying to, the commentary that they're having with his character in particular.
SPEAKER_04:Speaking of, which one, I'm okay that he's not valued and loved because of his, the hotel manager, his response to Belinda's concern about the police where he just dismissed her. Yeah. I'm cool with him not being valued and loved. But I thought he'd get a little more love. He was so excited to sing. And that's instantly during his performance, they cut out and we got the trio of ladies He's arguing. I
SPEAKER_00:almost think because I've seen a couple people make TikTok videos about how the managers of the hotels in the previous two seasons were much more prominent and interesting characters. And this character at every turn is getting cut off. And that to me is the gag of this season. I
SPEAKER_04:don't like the way he handled Belinda when she came to him with concerns. He was basically like police. No, you go help our rich guests. Like it was very annoying to me.
SPEAKER_00:Well, that's what he's been told to do.
SPEAKER_04:I guess so. I don't know. I think that we're in for a wild ride for Episode 8, and I'm excited about it.
SPEAKER_00:I'm excited, but then the darkness begins of where you lose another show. We finalized talking about The White Lotus Season 3 in Episode 101. The White Lotus Season 3 finale. Really impressively creative name to that one.
SPEAKER_04:All right. Let's just get into some shows. We watched a big one. The White Lotus season three finale. It has since aired. We know everything that happens.
SPEAKER_00:Spoilers going forward, of course.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, and remember, check those chapter markers. This is your final warning. White Lotus. The coconut milk is bad!
SPEAKER_00:There was a lot of, like, this episode was... interesting
SPEAKER_04:i thought it was a good finale i think that the people that are complaining about it like clearly didn't watch the other two seasons or maybe they're like even season two while there was a lot of action the endings are still kind of like we had like tanya's accident but they never really i keep seeing people like oh there's plot holes because we didn't see xyz that's the way it is every season with the white lotus we don't see these characters after they leave the resort. So, I agree with you. It was interesting. I was right about the major death. Again, spoiler alert, my R.I.P. my fellow Aries my queen Chelsea but if you didn't see I saw somebody was like I can't believe they did this like I actually had a conversation with somebody about this because he was like there's no way they're going to kill her off and I'm like they've literally been foreshadowing it since the first episode like heavily on the nose she's like I'm going to make you like happy or whatever even if it kills me tragedies come in threes basically Chelsea her whole purpose at that point was trying to make Rick happy And it was honestly, and she's like, oh, you know, we're a great love story, but it ended up being a great love story, like Romeo and Juliet style. So what do you think? We'll just kick off talking about Chelsea.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So like I'm with you. She had some dialogue early in the season, maybe even episode one. I
SPEAKER_01:think it
SPEAKER_00:was the first episode. And that was kind of foreshadowing that kind of had it in my mind. She was on my short list. I'm a little surprised Rick as well. Yeah, that
SPEAKER_04:surprised me a little bit that both of them. I
SPEAKER_00:kind of thought he would be the reason that she died which he was yes but that he would have to live with the consequences of that and he didn't so that was surprising to me
SPEAKER_04:Chloe um Greg Gary's wife whatever you want to call her was like oh you know every time girls go for romance like something awful happens yeah she kind of forced that's another example
SPEAKER_00:there was a lot of foreshadowing for for Chelsea for sure
SPEAKER_04:I think that she was definitely like she Chelsea and Victoria were the best characters for me this season so it was kind of a bummer yeah obviously to see but it made it honestly for the the story that he was telling that made sense i definitely agree with you i thought rick was gonna have to kind of have like the consequences of that what happened so for everybody that's been paying attention to the white lotus ricks was there he took her there specifically because he had a bone to pick with the owner's husband who um he was told by his mother on her deathbed killed his father which Well, you and I have thought I thought like before we even met the man, I was like, that's going to be Rick's dad. And every I've seen some people say because he comes back. I don't know why Rick thought he could walk in to the resort with no consequences. Like it was nothing. I did like he and Chelsea's reunion scene. But I was like, I figured he would have come back. I'm like, hey, we got to go. But he really wasn't thinking
SPEAKER_00:that to me is either his character is an idiot. or kind of a plot hole.
SPEAKER_04:Or he... wasn't as evolved from it as we would like to think and he was i
SPEAKER_00:mean true he did like get flustered by that guy immediately after seeing him a second time at the hotel um
SPEAKER_04:so they show up because they want to take a picture with jacqueline the tv star and of course they're going to point and look at rick be like oh my gosh and i've seen some people that are like if he was his dad why didn't he just tell them he more or less like he didn't say directly but he was like oh yeah i know your dad your dad like basically like your mom's a liar so he triggered rick with that he was like your dad like sucks basically he was calling himself a terrible person yeah
SPEAKER_00:and i think he
SPEAKER_04:saved his like life because he died too correct
SPEAKER_00:correct well we assume he's an older guy was already having health issues and took two shots to the chest yeah i would assume he probably didn't make it i think if i had to get inside of the man of the old man who turned out to be rick's father it had to be like this is gonna hurt this guy more knowing that i abandoned him than if he just thinks I killed his dad. So maybe I don't... You're
SPEAKER_04:giving him a lot of credit because I just felt like the guy was kind of a piece of crap anyway and had done a lot of shady things and was basically like, hey, I suck. I mean, obviously he was honest enough that he did tell the wife because she was like, he is your father.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but self-preservation at some point, right? Like, this escalated very quickly and you've got to think it wouldn't maybe have escalated to the point that it did if Rick knew that was his actual father.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, oh, I agree. I think that if he knew Like, it would have been just– I don't know what direction they would have gone in, but I don't think there would have been, like, the violence that there was. That being said, while this ended up being, like, the most, I say, cartoony death sequence, a lot of times I feel like The White Lotus is rooted in, like, realism with human experiences. I will say the way that whole, like, shooting scene went down was a little, like, movie villain cartoony. I'm not criticizing it. I mean, we had similar things to that in other shows. even though that was, like, the big action scene, I felt like Rick's storyline was by far the most boring. Well, next to Gay Doc, but...
SPEAKER_00:Um, I wouldn't say boring. And I love
SPEAKER_04:Walton Goggins and I love Chelsea, but, like, at some point, I'm like, I just didn't care about Rick and his daddy drama. I'm like, show me the three friends. Show me the Ratliff family. Can't get enough of them. Show me... Show it to me, Rachel. Like, just more Chelsea content. I just... I don't know. Like, That ended up being, like I said, the big playoff of the action sequence, but I found his storyline the most. I was like, eh.
SPEAKER_00:Sure. I think I liked his journey a little bit more than that, especially as he intersected with what's-his-face's character in Bangkok. Oh, Sam Rockwell. Sam Rockwell. Yeah, sorry. His name just escaped me there. I thought that was interesting. Honestly, at the end of the day, Sam Rockwell is the one that actually was able to change himself versus Rick who just wasn't.
SPEAKER_04:But then Sam Rockwell went right back to old habits too.
SPEAKER_00:But at the end shot, there he is right back in the Buddhist temple doing his meditations again. He's the one who's able to deal with it. Oh, I didn't even notice that. He was able to deal with it where Rick is just like he was consumed with it. And I think you're right. I think he might have had some momentarily clarity after the first confrontation with the guy who turned out to be his dad But he so quickly, when he saw him for a second time, lost it. Absolutely. And that tells me that it was just a surface level understanding. And he truly was a broken person who was going to end that way one way or the
SPEAKER_04:other. So you think while Sam Rockwell kind of fell off the wagon a little bit that he did revert back to a... Can we give it up for his little... When he's trying to chase Rick down in the hallway, I don't know. This had to be improvised, right? He does this little roll
SPEAKER_02:on the
SPEAKER_04:floor and... Everyone's like, the White Lotus isn't funny. I'm like, stuff like that is funny.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So.
SPEAKER_04:tragic ending for our Chelsea and Rick. And the bodies, the body that we found in the water at the beginning of the season, that was one of the security guards. So we had the two security guards that were shot in that kerfuffle. That's how our poor Chelsea gets shot. And it just, it was so sad. At least she got her donut before she got shot. She was like, will you get me a donut? So then Rick runs over and gets her the donut while he's running off. And I love how she's running after him and still, she still took a bite of it.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It just is interesting to me that, I don't know, it felt kind of like her character for me didn't get quite as much of the ending. Even though she died, I felt like she didn't get quite as much of the ending as maybe I would have liked to have her. She just kind of suddenly, she's there laying on the ground. That's what happens when you take your
SPEAKER_04:life and you... put it in the hands of another person. She was basically letting Rick dictate her decisions, her choices. So I think that was almost like symbolism.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. But at the same time, she ends up, does have a lasting effect on somebody from the show, on another character. And then we get to, so we get over to the Ratliff family. Yes. Which we kind of started talking about that at the beginning of the show, but then got off to Rick. But to me, that moment was, of the pina coladas. was the most like rah of the entire like that once we got to the end of the episode and rick was sitting there looking at his who he found out to be his dad i knew what was going to happen he was going to go take his gun he was going to shoot him getting a shootout people were going to die right i knew that that was going to happen but honestly he okay so the dad has finally decided after talking to every family member in the rattler family that he's just going to kill all of them except for one
SPEAKER_04:except for one
SPEAKER_00:because one of them gave him the answer that he wanted
SPEAKER_04:well Well, basically, you're getting way ahead of yourself.
SPEAKER_00:I know. There's so much to unpack with this.
SPEAKER_04:Let's rewind. Rewind. Okay, so back to Saxon and Chelsea. We'll go ahead and talk about them since they're connected. I feel like Saxon ended up being the character that honestly surprised me the most. Do I think he still has crappy ways? Yeah, but do I think that he wants to try to have more purpose in life? I think it was clear he does by the end of that episode. I think the... event between him and his brother, his interactions with Chelsea... I think it actually made him do a little soul searching no one's perfect he's still gonna I'm sure behave in certain ways he ended up honestly being like the most normal like of all the siblings at the end which is crazy to me but a lot of people are like oh was he in love with Chelsea I don't think so I think at first she was like his white whale because she was rejecting him turning him down it made him more interested but then I think he actually like she caught him out for better or worse correct you're soulless and I think that like got to him a little bit and then And I watched an interview with Amy– is there Amy Lou Wood, the girl that plays Chelsea? And she was like, oh, that– she still wants to be with Rick. She doesn't like Saxon in that way. But the reason why when she was helping him in the previous episode and she kind of pulled back was that Saxon was actually starting to see who she was and she wasn't used to that. And I think it's clear that even after he sees– chelsea reunite with rick that he continues to read the books that we do have some character growth there what do you think about saxon i truly think that there's a little bit like it's not some major character he'll turn change but he's trying to be different
SPEAKER_00:i think all three of the kids came away from this with a little bit more understanding of who they are for better or worse yeah um So
SPEAKER_04:do you buy it that Saxon is wanting
SPEAKER_00:to have a better purpose? I buy that he has going to give it a shot. Now, is it going to stick? Who knows? Yeah. But I think what he's going to find out when they get back to North Carolina and the fallout of what's going on with his dad and the company is going to maybe, it's either going to push him to become worse version of himself or it's going to push him towards where Chelsea kind of tried to position him because he said I'm nothing without this job and I'm nothing without you and she called him soulless those two things have really struck in me as the counterpoints to who he is going to be in the future is he going to continue to be that soulless person or is he going to try and make something of himself and we're never going to get to see it and that's the beauty of
SPEAKER_04:it write your own ending so that brings us to Saxon and Lachlan now I've always said and my therapist says that that I am an extreme people pleaser I'm not that big of a people pleaser Lachlan took people pleasing to the boss level do you buy it that that I do think he has people pleasing tendencies but are you still are you buying that that was the reason why he chose to do the things he did with his the service of his brother in that moment that drunken pilled up evening on the boat
SPEAKER_00:I buy that that is how he's reconciled it in his mind
SPEAKER_04:that's a good answer Yeah. try to be somebody for all of his siblings and his parents because he is I do think he is a people pleaser but I think there's some deeper seated seated stuff that's going on but again which we'll never know
SPEAKER_00:yeah I think that that conversation they had there about the incident and knowing how guys operate is the last time they'll ever talk
SPEAKER_04:speaking
SPEAKER_00:it so it's gone
SPEAKER_04:have you seen now all the TikToks with Lachlan and the baby I'm a giver
SPEAKER_00:you sent me a couple does. That was pretty good.
SPEAKER_04:So that brings us... Oh, we'll circle back to Lachlan and Tim in a minute because that's when it rounds back. So that brings us to Lachlan and Piper. No! So they stayed in a dirty monastery with kids with no purpose? Buddhism! So we had the whole thing where Lachlan's like, maybe I'm going to stay too. And you could see that Piper sort of made a face. I thought it was because Piper realized like... It's no, I'm no longer special. And I think that was part of it. Like that when she heard Lachlan say that. But I also think that, and you weren't sure at first, but I think they kind of confirmed that that Piper was trying so hard to be special to break away from her family, but I think she did get the ick.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I think when she started her monologue about saying the reasons why she was deciding not to go to the monastery, I wasn't entirely sure she was being sincere, and it wasn't just she was decided that because Lachlan was into it suddenly she wasn't into it but by the end of that monologue when she got emotional about it I was pretty clear that that was genuinely her having the realization and realization that and and I do think genuinely having a realization that she needs that. luxury stuff that she's used to and she kind of hates herself for it but at the same time but she's also recognizes I can't do without this stuff even if it makes me sick that I can't do without this stuff
SPEAKER_04:I feel like Lachlan was only going to stay not just the people pleasing thing but because of everything that had happened it was an avoidance
SPEAKER_01:yeah
SPEAKER_04:kind of thing going on with him like almost maybe he might have actually benefited from being at a place like that again we'll never know I have to say that one of the things that I like in shows is when costuming outfit wardrobe is important and that was absolutely reflected in Piper accepting like you know I hate that I'm just like this princess and I'm like you know what girl I am a princess so hair flip what did Victoria say it would be offensive for us not to spend the money so
SPEAKER_01:that you enjoy it
SPEAKER_04:in that moment you see timothy's face making like oh gosh i'm gonna have to kill my daughter now to add her to the kill list anyway back to the costuming if you notice at the start of the season piper was always in a very flowy white yellow pastel type of colors and clothing like very kind of just you know nothing nothing flashy still nice clothes but not very simple and After that, she has a dark blue two-piece outfit on. You see her shopping to get jewelry with Victoria. And then the next morning, she has a maroon dress on, I think with like pink shoes. And then on the boat ride home, a very loud like kind of orange floral print type of outfit. And that was 100%. an intentional clothing choice for Piper I truly believe that so it's little details like that that make me like shows like this I know like certain stuff that you search for with cinematography from like a camera thing I look to that and like clothing I'm always looking at like the stylist what the wardrobe people do and I really really appreciated that and I also can I just say too that that moment when Piper's like crying and Victoria's like giving Timothy the thumbs up that took me out it was so So good. So that brings us to Timothy realizing like, oh my gosh. So we have– Timothy has one more conversation with our people pleaser Lachlan and he's like, could you live without– You know, all the finer things in life. Could you live with nothing? And Lachlan's like, yeah. Do you think Lachlan said yes because he thought that's what his dad wanted to hear? Or do you really think Lachlan was serious?
SPEAKER_00:I think he was serious because how would Lachlan know what answer Tim was looking for?
SPEAKER_04:That's true.
SPEAKER_00:In that moment, because he hasn't necessarily... Remember, we've been seeing everything Tim's going through, and we've seen these conversations from his... None of the
SPEAKER_04:family is good at vibe-checking
SPEAKER_00:their daddy. Yeah, from his perspective, but we haven't necessarily... They never showed us Lachlan specifically listening in on these conversations he's been having with the other family members. So I do believe that he wasn't really putting much thought to it. It was kind of like an offhanded, like, yeah, I probably could.
SPEAKER_04:See, I feel like he kind of... I can see that point of view, but I also think there was part of it that he... Even though he didn't know what his dad was going through, why is his dad asking him this question? So I think he was like, yeah, sure. I think as a people pleaser, not to that level, but as a people pleaser myself, I could see myself being like, yeah, even though I know that I would be like Piper and food's not
SPEAKER_00:even organic. If you're taking it from a morality standpoint, the answer to the question is yes. If you want to be a good and pious person, you should be able to answer yes to that question. So maybe that's people pleasing from even a societal standpoint.
SPEAKER_04:So Lachlan's safe from Timothy's group kill
SPEAKER_00:list. He's going to make pina coladas for the family. He's going to put the poison fruit nuts into it.
SPEAKER_04:Which that finally came back into play. We all knew it would. They mentioned that don't eat this fruit. It's poisonous. We've had the blender with Saxon making his drinks. I think that was something collectively from all the wild theories out there, the one thing everyone agreed on, this
SPEAKER_00:is going to come into play. So of all the tension in all the season, the scene where he's handing them out to everybody, is the most tension and it even gets worse when they actually start drinking it.
SPEAKER_04:But hey, when they were doing their toast, Victoria finally realized what country
SPEAKER_00:she was in. To
SPEAKER_04:Thailand!
SPEAKER_00:And so what? It
SPEAKER_04:was intense. I was sweating.
SPEAKER_00:It's unclear to me how much you have to drink to get sick because as far as we can tell, no one got sick with the amount that they got except for Lachlan.
SPEAKER_04:Lachlan didn't get a pina colada. Tim was like, you're not 21 yet. Go get a coke and I like the way he said it in the southern voice go get a coke because bravo again for their North Carolina accents love it I agree with you. It was way more tense. We knew what was going to happen with Rick in the shooting. We knew that. Obviously, any scene that Gary Gregg is in is going to be tense. That was just because it lasted so long. It had the circle. It panned to each family member.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, each of them drank like multiple times before Tim finally stopped. And it was like the coconut milk is bad and starts grabbing the drinks and smacking them out of people's hands.
SPEAKER_04:Well, it was... one of those things where i do feel like people kind of kind of like fact checked the show a little bit and like oh you would have gotten way sicker but again i'm just gonna say it's a show it's tv If you notice, I feel like Victoria drank the most. She kind of made a face. Then she started to throw it back. Piper took a little sip. It really wasn't until Timothy was staring at Saxon, who was about to take sip number two, and he knocked it out of Saxon's hand and then told everybody else to put it down. The coconut milk is bad! That's all I'm going to think about now. And I guess there's some white lotus creamer, and everyone's like, we're not going to think of this the same
SPEAKER_01:now.
SPEAKER_04:Definitely, I feel like Jason Isaacs And Parker Posey both need Emmy noms.
SPEAKER_00:They were great. They
SPEAKER_04:were great. Like Jason Isaacs, like I'm glad he ended up not having a panic attack. That was nice. But just my dude, like the scene where Piper was saying she couldn't live at the monastery, you could just see his like throat seizing. So that brings us to the next step. We have the– the coconut milk is bad. We're not going to drink the stuff. But he leaves the blender not fully cleaned out on the counter. Now, I have seen some people that are like, why would Timothy not wash it out? Guys, they're rich. I doubt the man has ever washed a dish a day in his life. So at that point, you and I know. We're like, Lachlan's going to be drinking out of that blender. Cue the next morning, and old Lachy– He's like, I'm going to make my protein shake or whatever. By
SPEAKER_00:the way, yeah, and he chooses not to wash out the blender before. Now, I want to address this front and forward. As someone who was at one point a teenage boy, and anybody out there who is a parent of teenage boys, because I've seen people on the internet go, why would he not rinse the blender out before he uses it? And again, I just want to say, the reason is, teenage boy... You don't need an explanation. If you've been around him, you know why he wouldn't do it.
SPEAKER_04:And there's other reasons you could say, too, besides that. I think that's the main one is that maybe he thought Saxon had already used it and was just not going to wash it out. But I think the main thing is, like you said, teenage boy. I mean, didn't you at one point have a coffee mug that you would only wash like once a week as a grown man?
SPEAKER_00:Once a week?
SPEAKER_04:I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:So he makes himself a little protein shake, has a couple drinks of it out by the pool.
SPEAKER_04:And then gets sick.
SPEAKER_00:Gets real sick. Pukes. Sees God.
SPEAKER_04:We thought it was... I'm
SPEAKER_00:glad
SPEAKER_04:that they didn't... kill him off but we thought I thought he was gone like I was like oh crap but
SPEAKER_00:so the family goes to breakfast except for Tim who sleeps in Tim comes out and finds him it's unclear to me if Tim really did anything or if
SPEAKER_04:well I think he saw that Lockie had used had made
SPEAKER_00:it
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't think he was calling for help, but then Lachlan kind of woke up from it and puked some more. So I don't know if he would have gotten help. Was this at the same time occurring as all the bullets? Were the other family members eating just breakfast, blissfully
SPEAKER_00:unaware? Yeah, just blissfully unaware as they would be. I think, to me, it seems very clear that what actually happened was Tim never used enough to actually kill anybody, but they just all would have gotten really sick like Lachlan did. Yeah. It seems to me like you've got to be a little bit more concentrated to actually get it done. to kill you
SPEAKER_04:and I think that point was it wasn't where he knocked the thing out of Saxton's hand Timothy like I think that point where he was like crap I can't do this I think it was the what changed him be like you know what maybe we'll be okay with seeing his kid actually almost die yeah the one that wasn't gonna take it because we have their little send-off they all get on the boat and they get their phones back he's like hey Some stuff happens Things are going to change And a lot of people are really disappointed That we didn't get to see the reactions I'm not, I'm fine with it We never were going to get to see it I never thought we were going to get to see it If you want to see what a reaction is like to losing a lot of money May I direct you to Schitt's Creek You like Victoria, you're going to absolutely love Moira Rose.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:The White Lotus is you meet your characters on the boat to the resort, and you say goodbye to your characters on the boat leaving the resort, and that's it. You're not getting anything else.
SPEAKER_04:Sometimes you get the through characters, like we got to see what Belinda was up to. Gary Gregg has been a through character. So let's go ahead and talk about Belinda. Basically, she has come full circle. So we had on the last episode, Gary Gregg was like, hey, I'm going to give you this money. I heard you want to start a business. Basically, hush money. Like, don't say what I'm doing. And she's like, I can't accept this. That's blood money. And her son, I mean, her son wasn't wrong. He was like... You're going to have to take this money or he'll kill you either way. So he wasn't incorrect. But then her son's like, let's see what we can get out of him. And he asked her, how much did he ask for? Like$5 million?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So the original offer was$100,000. And then he countered with$5 million.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. And Greg Gary gave it to her. Yep. And then she decided, I'm not going to open my spa. I'm just going to enjoy some time being rich. So she had hooked up with the, I don't remember his name, the guy that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we didn't get a ton of him. He was one of the other masseurs. And they had talked about opening up a spa
SPEAKER_04:together. She literally said the same thing that Tanya said to her in season one. Like, my circumstances have changed. And that is a full circle moment that even money can change the best of us. Those of us with good intentions. That being said... I feel like you and I have clocked Belinda from, like, the get. Like, I never thought she was a bad person, but I do think she never liked Tanya. She was using Tanya, too, in season one. So the people that act like Belinda was, like, some special angelic creature that did no wrong, I thought she had an entitlement... that Tanya needed to help her. I mean, what Tanya did to her was crappy. She had promised
SPEAKER_00:her she was going to do this stuff. Leading somebody on, yes. But allowing yourself to be led on by some flaky, clearly flaky person. And feel like you were
SPEAKER_04:owed that money, too.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I never thought Belinda was perfect, so I think it makes perfect sense. Do you think we'll see the new Belinda, the guy that she did the same to? No,
SPEAKER_00:I don't think we'll see any more of him. I don't know either. It left me, and we had this conversation off air, and I think you don't necessarily agree with me. It actually left Gary Gregg in a better light for me. I have seen
SPEAKER_04:some people say that and agree with you online.
SPEAKER_00:Because he could have, first of all, just killed her straight up. Without even offering hush money. The
SPEAKER_03:murderer didn't kill somebody. Yay!
SPEAKER_00:And when they came back and put it in his face, hey, instead of$100,000, give us$5 million. He could have just killed them. He had them in his house. It seems to me like his intent was never to kill anybody. He just wants to live the life that he has.
SPEAKER_04:I think he is still a bad, slimy person.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not saying he's not.
SPEAKER_04:I know what you're saying, but I think that was a last resort thing. I don't want to kill these people because that's going to draw attention And then I'm going to have to go somewhere else. So I'm not going to like I've seen some people go as far as saying, you know, I know you're not saying this is that maybe he got redemption.
SPEAKER_00:No,
SPEAKER_04:absolutely no redemption. But I think
SPEAKER_00:looks like he's going to get that threesome, though.
SPEAKER_04:yeah will we see him again in the future I don't know he seems to be the one through the through character and I've seen some other people that say that they were so disappointed that he didn't play a major role in like the events that went down he was never going to he was just there as
SPEAKER_00:he's never played a major role in any of any of the seasons he's always just been there on the sidelines
SPEAKER_04:yeah being creepy
SPEAKER_00:um so how
SPEAKER_04:much you want to bet I can throw a football over the nose coach would have put me in the fourth quarter we've been state No
SPEAKER_00:doubt
SPEAKER_04:in my mind. They've all done crappy things. But at the end of the day, I do truly believe that there is love there. You can love people and still have toxic dynamics. And I think that Carrie Coon, another wonderful actress, I feel like she knocked it out of the park as Laurie. They were all saying what they liked about the trip. And Laurie's realization at the end in her little monologue, I felt like that was really heartfelt. And I felt like that... Jacqueline and Kate were actually like, oh, wow, you know, too. And now they have the added trauma that they witnessed the shooting. So that's definitely going to keep them as friends. I mean, did you think I never thought the friendship I thought I thought their story was going to end exactly how it did. They were going to move on. What how did you think that
SPEAKER_00:was? No, that went that went very, very much like I thought at the beginning and it played out the end of this was going to be a situation of these friends. They're all fake with each other. They're going to come in. They're going to like each other. They're going to go through some crap. They're going to get mad at each other. And then before they leave, they're going to make makeup, whether it's real or false. And I think this was a little bit more of a genuine makeup. And I think that their relationship going forward is going to be a little bit more genuine than when we found them. I do think there was growth that took place.
SPEAKER_04:They're still going to talk about each other.
SPEAKER_00:But they're still going to talk shit on each other. And that's just how it goes.
SPEAKER_04:You said a bad word.
SPEAKER_00:I'll put me in jail.
SPEAKER_04:Well, I do like how everyone's like, not Carrie Coon, Lori told Jacqueline that her face was pretty and Jacqueline just lit up. Now, I got to say, I'm going to address this because I've taken some crap. Some other people in line have taken some crap. What Jacqueline did was a crappy friendship thing, trying to have the power, wanting to be like the hot one. is just the whole dynamics of it I'm never I didn't say that she's a great person when I said I kind of agreed with what she was saying about Laurie I stand by that that was the previous episode she was like at some point you gotta look when you're a you know you're the victim of your own decision making and I felt like that was illustrated like that Laurie while we love her as a character she made horrible decisions in an episode she went off with those guys she accepted drinks from them not knowing where they came from and she went to his apartment like she She could have. And I think Lori kind of realized like, oh, crap, I do. I am the victim of my bad decisions. So I would like to say that, like everyone back off that. There you go. And that brings us to the other point. The robbery ended up being a big fat nothing burger for the most part. It was never about the robbery, y'all. It was never about it.
SPEAKER_00:If anything, all the robbery was was to serve the character of Gatok.
SPEAKER_04:Was that his name, Gatok?
SPEAKER_00:Are we saying it right? Yeah, I think so.
SPEAKER_04:If not, apologies.
SPEAKER_00:And his growth. Yeah, the little devil and angel shoulder. I say growth in air quotes, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Everyone's like, what was the point of Mook? The point of Mook was to, again, she was kind of like the... almost the devil in a way. Maybe she thinks she's doing good, but she basically told him, I'm not interested if you're not ambitious or something. Do you think she genuinely likes him or likes the security that he could provide her in a better job? I
SPEAKER_00:don't think that she would be hanging around him and pushing him to be ambitious if she wasn't into him a little bit. But ultimately, she's seeking that security that comes along with somebody who can be a wage earner and That's what he did, and that's why she was pushing him.
SPEAKER_04:I think that she's still going to break his heart ultimately, and was it worth it to sacrifice your values and your integrity? Because at the end of the day, the world's worst security guard decided, I'm going to land me the girl and land me the job. And
SPEAKER_03:he
SPEAKER_04:did. And he did. Turned around, fired that gun.
SPEAKER_03:Shot Rick. Shot
SPEAKER_04:Rick, and he gets to be the security guard for the owner of the hotel. We see him with the shades. I hope it was worth it for boring old Mook. A lot of people loved her character or thought she was really boring. I have nothing against the actress, but, I mean, I'm not going to say Mook was a boring character, but she was a boring person on screen. Like, she was just there to serve his storyline perfectly. And I think like you and I have this conversation. I feel like it was intentional to put that actress in there because she is very famous in other countries. And that was to get some eyes on the show. But her character was never meant to be anything more than a boring plot for him. The world's worst security guard. I
SPEAKER_00:would be interested if like we ever get to the White Lotus season eight or nine or something like that. And they pop in. going to as now the new owners of the White Lotus because they've somehow weaseled their way into that whole thing. That would be pretty funny.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. It was just fine. It wasn't worth it for him to do it because he was even like, I'm just such a passive person. We'll have to see. We'll have to see. We probably never will see. Choose your own adventure.
SPEAKER_01:Am
SPEAKER_04:I leaving anything out? Oh, Fabian. In the past two seasons, the hotel managers have had much more of a role He didn't. Now, hardly anyone wanted to hear him sing. Did he get shot or did he just fall into the water? I
SPEAKER_00:think he just fell in the water.
SPEAKER_04:When all that went down.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I just think he fell in the water. I don't know why everybody expects each season to be the same formula. I know, I'm glad it's not. It shouldn't be that way. If there wasn't a role for the manager of the hotel, a major role this season, then there wasn't a role for him. So I don't have a problem with that either. There were plenty of interesting characters this season to watch go through their journeys, and I didn't need the manager specifically.
SPEAKER_04:I've seen some people that are like, oh, why didn't the cops show up? What was going on? I was like, we were never going to see all the after effects of that.
UNKNOWN:No, no.
SPEAKER_04:Would I have liked to have seen Saxon's reaction to everything? Yeah, but they...
SPEAKER_00:Hey, listen, for all we know, he never finds out what happens to Chelsea because they're going to keep that stuff under lock and key anyways. And names aren't going to get thrown about
SPEAKER_04:in
SPEAKER_00:that manner, especially in that country where the police are going to come in. They're not going to speak the same language. So even if they knew something went down and saw cops, they're not necessarily going to know anything that happened.
SPEAKER_04:One of the best images that I saw of the closing was the kids before the show and after the show. We had Piper with the headphones on. We had Saxon with the sunglasses. And then we kind of had Lachlan. You see Piper, no shades. And then we've got Lachlan with the sunglasses on, kind of like almost like speak no evil, see no evil. And then we've got Saxon with the book. Yep. it's almost like role reversal if you will for some of them and then I did do you read about the scene that was cut about
SPEAKER_00:Piper and I think I've read about like three scenes that have been cut at this point I
SPEAKER_04:guess like Piper and Belinda's son did hook up but they cut the scene entirely like because she decided after she had the epiphany about who she was that maybe Saxon was right and she should like lose her virginity I think unless we had another episode it was a smart choice creatively to cut that scene that would have been just The
SPEAKER_00:finale episode was already way longer than all the other episodes anyways. So, yeah, I think that was probably a good cut to make there.
SPEAKER_04:Anyhow, I like the finale. I thought it was great. Very well done. Was it predictable in places? Sure. But for everybody that expected all these insane things to happen, I feel like you're just not, like... Go back and watch the other seasons, I guess.
SPEAKER_00:How would you rank the seasons? I was about to ask you the same question. Rank them.
SPEAKER_04:I'm still going to go with this is a very unpopular opinion. But there's something about the creativity. And I like storytelling. I didn't find it boring. I like the slow burn. Season one for me still ranks as top. I'm going to throw another one. I'm going to put season three in my two slot. And then, again, I did not dislike season two, but it's the weakest of the three seasons. So I go one, three, two.
SPEAKER_00:That's my order as well. All
SPEAKER_04:right.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you all for tuning in to this Supercut. And we will be back with you. with a stacked July for TV shows.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. I just don't think at this age I'm meant to live an uncomfortable life. Buddhism. Piper, no.
