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We Watch TV Episode 107 – Stranger Things is ENDING

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel discuss the latest announcements for shows returning in the back half of 2025. The hosts also react to season 1 of Apple TV+’s The Studio as well as season 1 of Netflix’s The Four Seasons.

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:01:58) Second Half 2025 Shows and Dates
(00:27:53) The Studio
(00:42:58) The Four Seasons

Music by yourtunes from Pixabay

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I have nothing funny in my mind whatsoever to say to start this podcast. I am completely blank and broken.

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Okay, I'll do it. I hope you know what the bit is. Okay. If not, it's going to fail.

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Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel. She is Hope. This is episode 107. We're coming to you live, pre-recorded from the internet.

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We always pre-record though.

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That was a joke.

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Oh.

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Now you said you had something.

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I guess. how to open it. So anytime my mind space goes to like, what do I think about? I always go back to this particular scene from a very popular show. Give me a break. Give me a break. Break me off a piece of that.

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Fancy feast.

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Yay, you got it.

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I knew that one.

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And that show is The Office.

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Which we are not going to talk about anymore today.

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But we're going to talk

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about Steve Carell. That is true. That is true.

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But not right now. It's time

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to talk. Not to go behind the curtain or anything, but we're recording this episode and the last episode consecutively on the same day, and it was really difficult for us to figure out how to change energy and go into a new episode and make it seem like it's a new episode, so... Here we are. I think we pulled it off until I just now revealed it.

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Maybe. Anyway, speaking of new, we have some new release dates officially out. We have some dates that we kind of already known about. So usually about twice a year we like to talk about what we're looking forward to. So I have compiled a list of the... We'll be right back.

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What's the 23 even for? What does that

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mean? D23 is always called D23. I

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thought D23, that was because they had it in 2023. But what's the 23 mean?

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Michael Jordan's number? I don't know.

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I don't think Disney named their conference D23. I don't know. Anyway. Michael Jordan's number.

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Great idea to record two podcasts in a row. One of our better ideas.

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It's a double feature that you guys are going to have to listen to in consecutive weeks. Just

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like how Netflix keeps doing part one and part two of their shows. It's

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frustrating, isn't it?

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Shall I get into it? I should

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calm down.

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The article I pulled up did not put these in order of release date, so I wasn't going to go back through and order them even though my OCD brain wanted to, but... Yeah, we're going to talk about all the stuff coming to Netflix now. All right. So I hope you do want this. Nobody wants this. October 23rd.

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California. That is the show. Sorry. Mr. Adam Brody. Yeah.

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Seth Cohen from the OC and Dave Rogowski from Gilmore Girls. And Kristen. It's not Kristen Bell. I almost said Kristen Stewart. No. Kristen Bell from Veronica Mars. The voice of Gossip Girl. XOXO.

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I like season one of this show. I'm looking forward to more. I

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loved season one. I thought it was great. It's a show that anytime somebody's like, I need something to watch. I'm like, please watch. Nobody wants this. It was really well written. The characters were very fleshed out, but they were characters that you want to root for, but they're still flawed.

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Do you remember that the week we talked about this show, you mistakenly let me be in charge of social medias?

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I don't want to talk about this.

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talked about it on that later anyways

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normally I put together the social post or if I'm not if I'm not able to post I send Daniel the photos but I was like can you find a photo so

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I found a photo and put it up it had the two main characters in it and I completely missed the fact that it was a picture a picture from the scene where they're in the sex shop and it had all the toys on the wall behind

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the wall of like can I say the whole wall of dildos it was awful and I So I'm looking at it in horror, and I'm like, I'm going to change this post and put something new. I didn't even see them. I don't want that.

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I'm blind. I'm dildo blind.

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Oh, no. We can't traumatize our listeners. Anyway, I'm excited for that show. Me too. All right, now I know you. Oh, I'm already fired up, ready to fight. So Daniel always acts like a hater, but this is one of your first favorite shows that you had on Netflix. You will still watch it. You're still excited to see it end. We finally have a date, guys, for Stranger Things Season 5. They're going to do a three-part release. We've got Part 1, Happy Thanksgiving. I don't think Thanksgiving's on November 26th, but it'll be around Thanksgiving, November 26th. Part two, Merry Christmas, Christmas Day. And then with the part three, which will be the finale, which I assume is probably going to be a movie length episode, will air on New Year's Eve. Now, while I hate the two parters, I actually don't mind it that they're going to make us wait to watch the finale.

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Because it's going to take you that long to watch them all. No. Because it's like a week long episode at this point. Can I have the floor,

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please? Can I have the floor? Fine. Anyway, the internet has no chill. There will be some people that don't have, you know, life responsibilities, et cetera, that will sit there and watch the whole thing and then make it their life's goal to ruin it for everybody by putting the ending on the internet. I know that I'll be able to kick back on New Year's Eve and watch the finale and I won't have to risk that part being spoiled for me because if they dropped all of part two on Christmas day, on Christmas day, I'm watching like Home Alone again. I'm watching like Muppets. I'm watching my Christmas favorites. I probably will in the evening when I start getting that, you know, I always get real sad and bummed out on Christmas Day. The build-up to Christmas, which is why I celebrate all of November and December, is better than the actual day. Christmas Eve is better than Christmas Day. Do you agree with me? Or do you like sitting around eating Chinese food doing nothing? I

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don't think you can overrate Christmas. Sitting around eating Chinese food doing nothing. I mean, the fact that we have not

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had Chinese food since the amount we consumed on December 25th speaks volumes. I'll be ready for it again at Christmas. We like to order a mess of Chinese food that we eat between the two of us, and they give us utensils to feed a family of 20. So that's, yeah. It's

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just us, though.

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But anyway, we'll be eating our Chinese food and watching part

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two of Stranger Things. You're right. I am excited for season five of Stranger Things so that it will be over.

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It's crazy what they say. We've been through four.

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Four presidential administrations. Believe it or not, season one came out under the Obama administration. That's insane. That's crazy.

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So we've had Obama, Trump won, Biden, and now Trump too.

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Yeah.

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That is insane. These kids, I really think they need to do a time jump because it's just getting laughable. I mean, Joe Keery at this point is like in his 30s, plays Steve Harrington. Better not lay a finger on my baby's head because he better survive. If Steve dies, I'm going to be so mad. I've accepted the fact that I might not get Steve and Nancy in game, that they might give us Jancy, Jonathan and Nancy. But I just want Steve to survive. And I'm real worried about Steve and I'm worried about Dustin. Gotta say. You don't think that they're going to kill

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off any of these people? I'm not stressed out about it at all.

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You're on the other side of it?

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I am well on the other side of Stranger Things. But

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you do like Stranger Things. It's one of the very first shows.

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They've gotten too indulgent. They've gotten too over their own heads.

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You already said the episodes

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are going to be super long. I don't need an episode that's two hours long. No. That's no. No.

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Well, I'm looking forward to it, to seeing how it all wraps up. I've invested a lot of time and energy into this. We've essentially seen these... kids grabbing millie bobby brown is a married woman now that's insane to me when she was like a little girl in the first season i do i did see a comment and i really think i agreed with the commenter on the video but the girl was like is stranger things to blame for these glacial paces between shows and then only giving us like a few episodes I think yes it's definitely one of the ones that really it was one of the most popular streaming shows when streaming was really taking off and like Netflix originals I know it's not the first Netflix original but it's definitely one of those but I agree with the commenter that was like no Game of Thrones did it first I was like yes

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Game of Thrones Game of Thrones did the like episode only like eight episodes nine episodes a season and they make you wait

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forever at

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the beginning they didn't like at the beginning of Game of Thrones I think that the first four seasons. They were like annual, like every year they came out. It was only at the end when they had to start making it up

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forever.

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Yeah. But we didn't start watching until like season four was already out.

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Yeah. I think Game of Thrones really started the trend, though, of that. But Stranger Things definitely has taken its good old-fashioned time way too slow, in my opinion. So they better bring it for the finale. This show better be wrapped up well. And I think the Duffer Brothers have already confirmed they're not going to do a cop-out ending. But if they would, and with the boys as little kids again playing a D&D game, being like, well, that was crazy, I will flip tables.

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Listen, okay. I think that would be a frustrating ending. I will

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throw Throw my Christmas tree out the window.

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I think that would be a frustrating ending and I am not for it. However, if they knew that was the ending all along and they recorded it back in season one and it was those kids like then, I would at least respect it.

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You know what though? We've already seen a show that had the worst finale of all time do that. How I Met Your Mother recorded the kids' reactions in season one and I do not respect it. I hate it. It's because I hate him. Yeah.

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June 27th, Squid Game Season 3.

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I am very excited, and it's going to be stressful for us because we're going to be on vacation and not able to watch it, and I'm going to have to not watch TikToks to get Squid Game ruined for me because I just can't see us kicking back watching Squid Game. I don't know, maybe.

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No, I don't think so. At

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least we'll have plenty of time. I think we'll fly through it.

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Oh, we always do.

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Do we think he's going to make it out of the games?

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I don't know. I'm not sure how this is going to end. Four,

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six, two. Is that his name? The name of the player?

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No, I don't remember at this point. This is a great

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idea. Recording two podcasts in a row. We're

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talking about shows. We can't remember. I honestly don't know where they're going to go with it because I didn't know. I was shocked by the end of season one.

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Well, his friend died, but he still doesn't know that player one was the guy that's in charge of it.

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And I was really surprised that season two, like, and I knew this, but halfway through season two, I was like, oh, they're not finishing these games in this season.

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Season two is going to pick up. And I read that it was season two and three was actually made to be one season and Netflix made them separate it. But he doesn't know that, like, he just knows that, like, I think he's going to assume that player one was killed along with his friend. So he still doesn't know that he's kind of like the... The guy that's, what do they call him? That's like in charge of everything. I don't even remember. I know. I feel like we were really into Squid Game. Loved it. Flew through two seasons and now we're just kind of biding our time. Until season three, but yeah, that'll be good, June 27th. So Wednesday, we already knew that Wednesday was coming back, but we get season two, part one, August 6th, part two, September 3rd, but the big thing at the Netflix event was that they did drop the first five minutes, which I have watched. Have you watched it yet? No. So it's really funny because we got Wednesday. talking about what she did on her break and she references how she was always obsessed with solving one of these serial killer mysteries. So we have her at TSA going through and she's taking out each of the weapons and then you know what I know what they yelled at her for? Her sunblock. It was a good bit. And then they have her using her psychotic or psychotic?

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Psychic.

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Psychic. We should not have recorded the two episodes in a row. Her psychic abilities. Just a little bit psychotic flare because they are at the Addis family.

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Psychotic ability is what you use on me when I snore too loud.

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Okay. So you admit you snore?

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No. Okay. I admit nothing. Allegedly. When I allegedly snore too loud.

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I have videoed you before. I

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did not consent to that. So you cannot use it on

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social media. Anyway, Haley Joel Osment is going to be in it, the little creepy boy from The Sixth Sense who's now an adult man now.

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I think he's like a normal adult man

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now. He's grown up. He's been like 25 years since that movie. Got it, got it. He's playing the serial killer and he makes little dolls of his victims. So we did get the first five minutes. It looks good. I'm excited to have content in August and September, but I don't understand why Netflix won't drop this in October for Halloween Like, I would rather have gotten Nobody Wants This in August, which they didn't say anything about parts on that one. So, but then they're like, why are you giving me, which I guess, you know, technically I do start decorating for Halloween in August. So now more of a reason to do so. It just seems like it would have been more fitting.

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I can accept this show as like an August, September drop because by the time. I mean, my skeleton will be out. Yeah. Yeah. The skeleton will be out. And a lot of people aren't like us. Sitting there just watching from the moment that it drops. There will probably be plenty of people that will be like, oh, I'll watch that later. Unless

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it suits LA. We're usually right on it right away. All right. You want to check out the next one? See you tomorrow. Never again.

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Another item announced at BADUM was the third Knives Out film, Wake Up the Dead.

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Wake up, dead man, a Knives Out mystery.

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Wake up, dead man, a Knives Out mystery.

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And it comes out...

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December 12th.

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December 12th. What's up with all this December? That's when I'm watching Hallmarks. And then you want to put a mystery thing in there? Come on, guys. I like

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the Knives Out movies. I do. I love them. They've been very good.

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But I need my December. There's so much coming out in December. That's my holiday time. That's where I watch I'm Up at Christmas Carol and Home Alone and Christmas Vacation like 50 times in a row and all our wonderful Hallmark movies. And we did get a Diva Christmas Carol or something that you ordered me with Vanessa Williams. And I'm really looking forward to debuting that one for

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you. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that as well. Her name

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is Ebony Scrooge.

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Everybody and look forward to my review on that this coming December.

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That's what we should kick off our holiday things with this time. We should introduce you to that classic. Speaking of classics, do you have anything else to say?

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No, I don't.

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I don't know. I think I have a typo here. Buy a Happy Gilmore. I think it should be Happy Gilmore Season 2.

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Happy Gilmore 2? Yeah.

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She

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said season 2.

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Happy Gilmore 2, a movie.

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The sequel to Happy Gilmore.

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With Adam Sandler, July 25th. And they did drop the full trailer for that. It looks like Carl Weathers obviously can't be in it, but they have somebody playing his son. And you remember how he always had the wooden hand? Yes. They're doing that bit again. You know what? I think Adam Sandler has a deal with Netflix to do a bunch of movies. You better be glad, Daniel, that this was on Netflix because I would have made you go to the theaters

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to see it with me. I am anticipating... Shooter McGavin's going to show up. I'm anticipating a stinker.

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Julie Bowen from Modern, who now I just see as Claire from Modern Family, is reprising her role.

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Two thumbs down. You

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haven't even seen it

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yet. I don't think it's a win. The price

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is wrong.

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It looks to me like they're just repeating all the jokes from the first one.

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And you know what? I couldn't be happier.

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Just watch the first. No, no, no. Just watch the first one. If you want the jokes from the first one, watch the first one. On

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July 25th, consider me set. It's

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going to be a happy Gilmore Day. Don't make another one with the same jokes.

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Quiet.

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The Bear, everyone on this podcast's favorite show.

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Now we're out of the Netflix to dumb.

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Is on June 25th, the full season. Somebody, somebody has some sanity and just gives us everything we want.

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The full drop. Season four. Do we know if it's the last season or not? I

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don't know. It hasn't been announced.

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June 25th. I feel like it should be. I'm going to need some carmy character growth because he's the only one that I feel like is being stagnant. We know they're going to have money issues. Did you watch the trailer for that?

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No.

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You are very prepared for this podcast. I

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don't need to watch the trailer. I know what's going to happen. They're going to yell in the kitchen.

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I need to see Richie singing to Taylor Swift again. Oh. Because that was my favorite. That wasn't last season. That was season two. Yeah, I don't know why y'all are sleeping on the bear, but you need to go watch the bear. Come on. Watch the bear. Or we'll give you a haunt. That's a haunt. The bear?

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I know.

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Oh.

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You just feel confused.

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I'm just anticipating the next one. Go ahead and read it.

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Oh, I get to read it? Sure. I guess that's the order we're in, right? No. All right. At long last, we finally have a date. And we might have already talked about the date for this. I don't know. We can't remember anything. But just for the sake of talking, Star Trek Strange New Worlds, Season 3, July 17th on the world's worst app, Paramount+. And we ended season two on quite the cliffhanger. Yeah, for sure. Now we've been sitting on for over a year. Do you think Pike's girlfriend lives or dies?

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She hasn't shown up in any of the trailers.

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That's probably intentional.

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Yeah, I think it is.

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I want another musical episode.

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I don't think they're going to do that. But I think they've got some from the trailer. I have watched the trailer for this one. They've got some very interesting things going on. I think we're going to have another fun season with some creative stuff. And it's going to be a good...

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Paul Wesley is returning as Captain

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Kirk. Yes, yes. All right, real quick before we go. Strange New World Season 2 introduced us to Scotty. So if they introduce another OG character, who you got? Who you got money? Not who do you want? I'm not asking you who you want.

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Well,

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I'm going to say who I think and who I want. I'm asking you who you think will be. I

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want McCoy, and I think they have to at some point bring in McCoy.

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I do actually think McCoy, of the ones that aren't on yet, probably makes the most

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sense.

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Because Sulu and Chekhov are both younger.

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Okay.

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So I don't think they would like... Chekhov in particular may not even be in Starfleet yet.

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It's got to be McCoy.

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Yeah, I think McCoy... Because it's my understanding of the canonical lore of Star Trek that McCoy and Kirk... know each other before they are on the Enterprise together. So I would like to think if we get a Kirk episode where he's dealing with Carol Marcus being pregnant with David, maybe McCoy is thrown into that story. And he doesn't even join the Enterprise yet, but he's just there because let's have another friendly face and a member, Barry.

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I've seen two very good people, obviously the original McCoy, and then in the Kelvin universe, Carl

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Urban.

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They both did the role very well. I'm a McCoy. You're always like, who's your favorite character? Honestly, McCoy. He's so sassy and funny and grouchy. He's just everything that I enjoy in a character. Grumpy, kind of rude, but in a good way. In

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an endearing way. He's nice once you get to know him.

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Yeah. You're always asking me who you think you have the energy. You're a McCoy energy, ultimately, Daniel. Thank you. Minus the medicine skills. You're not really much of a Kirk. You're not really a Spock.

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You're not a Picard. Minus the whole being a doctor.

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You've got that McCoy, grumpy, sarcastic energy to you. I should book a therapy session soon. Start the next one. Your turn.

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December 2nd. No, wait. Sorry, I can't read. I

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actually did the notes on this one right. This is my fault.

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At some nebulous point in December that we have not been made aware of yet, Percy Jackson Season 2 will be dropping.

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I need to read those books so I can be like, that's not how it was in the book. That's how it was in the book. I feel like they're going to look a lot older.

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Yeah, probably.

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I liked the first season of Percy Jackson. It was a solid show. I enjoyed it. It was fun. I liked it. Was it like the best show ever? No, but it was good.

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It seemed like the people who liked the book liked the show better than the movie. So I'm happy for them. Whenever I see book people happy about something, I'm like, oh, good, good. Because I've been a book person unhappy about things before. Same,

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same. All right, so we have, we've already talked about this, but for the sake of, you know, the shows, I'm very much looking forward to The Summer I Turned Pretty, season three, final season, July 16th on Amazon Prime. I don't love it that they're doing the weekly release for this because that means with the amount of episodes we're getting, we're going to go into like September. I'm like, I see a bunch of, because this is a very youthful show. They're like, we're going to be in school when it comes, when the last episodes drop. And I'm like, that is rude. And so that was rude. Apparently, they're saying that Jenny, they changed, and I have read the books for these. And this is an example where I think the show elevated the books in many ways. But they're saying that Jenny Han, who works on the show, but also did the books, that she's changed the ending. If she changed it, the ending I don't think it's gonna be she changed who uh belly ends up with I don't think sorry how could anybody ship Jeremiah and belly jelly if no Conrad Bonrad that is the proper ship but I think if they do it they're gonna pull some BS Kelly Taylor I choose me saying and no I don't want that I want her and Conrad to have their happy ending give it to me please or I will complain next I'm

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just reading it twice to make sure I actually don't screw it up. The Morning Show, season four, September 17th. Did you even finish season three of The Morning Show?

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No. But I would like to go back and finish it. My problem with The Morning Show is it's always so like... spot one about like previous events that we lived through like the pandemic thing and then like all the January 6th stuff they've addressed that it was really hard to have to relive those moments and they do it so realistically because they are mimicking like I think they're kind of supposed to be like sort of like a Today Show Good Morning America type vibe and it's so real it's almost like bringing up like past trauma but I do really like Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston so I want to try to get through it So I included it on there. I could see myself going finally settling in and making myself catch up. But at the end of the day, should I force myself to watch something? Probably not. Now, I didn't put this on the list because we don't have an official date, but we know that Meryl Streep is coming back for it. One of our other shows that's often in our conversations for Best Thing Going is Only Murders in the Building. They are filming. Meryl's supposed to be coming back. Not Jordan, but the other guy from Key& Peele. So be Key, right? Michael Key. He's going to be one of the people that's showing up a lot of people think we're probably gonna get that late August like normal but they haven't officially said anything So I had to mention that. I was like, ooh, I need to remember this. All right, you want to say the last thing?

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Well, I hope you weren't thinking, I hope you weren't waiting for us and our thoughts on Suits LA because Suits LA has been canceled and we canceled it weeks ago. We

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didn't even get to like, we got the flashback Harvey episode, but we didn't even get to Harvey in present day. It was just, it just wasn't great. Like when I was watching it, though I wasn't bored, it didn't have the hook. It didn't have that Mike Ross as much, whatever you think about, him Daniel the Mike Ross's story was what kept suits going you know oh

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I don't disagree at all it just didn't

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have it just wasn't special And it just felt like they were really trying. Just like in Just Like That, overly tries with a wild fashion. This show just really tried so hard to capture that magic. And I feel like the only reason why Suits got that re-emergence in popularity was because, again, people are craving longer seasons. It was on Netflix. There was so much that people could watch. And they wanted to cap. I don't blame them. They're like, you know what? Let's capitalize on this popularity. We can't do a reboot or a sequel. Let's try to make something new. different and it just failed miserably.

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What Hollywood and what television needs right now is my vampire lawyer show.

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Did we talk about this before?

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I said it one time and then never brought it up again. But they need my vampire lawyer show. I feel like that already exists. The vampires are the lawyers.

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Yeah.

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But every couple decades they've got to like duck out of town and go to another town and start up a new law firm. Because, you know, they're vampires and they can't let people know they're... Yeah, but a lot of the

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vampires, like on the Vampire Diaries, they can kind of hypnotize people. A

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whole town? Yes, they did that. Because in my show, they've got those annoying... Unless you drank Vervain. Because in my show, they've got those annoying local TV commercials with a funny jingle. So everybody knows who they are.

SPEAKER_01:

There's

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this one. Okay, wait a second. Hold on. This might break my show, actually. Vampires are invisible to mirrors, but can they be seen on camera?

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Well, Caroline in the Vampire Diaries was a news reporter. So, yes. And they wear... Technically, they can't be in the daylight, but the Vampire Diaries ones wear daylight rings.

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I'm not doing that in my vampire lawyer show. Other than that, they

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can only be out at night, then. If you go by traditional

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vampire lore. They can be inside their building.

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And then they have to be invited into places, too.

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You remember that old mansion in Charleston where we went to college? Up on the hill? Where we used to run up the hill to it? I

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was always about

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trying not to throw up on this. And the law firm took it

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over? I don't remember

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any of this. An old, creepy mansion on top of a hill where the vampire lawyers hang out. And they've got all the windows shut, obviously. We'll make

SPEAKER_01:

sure if you... Let us take you on as a client that will suck them dry so you can get your money.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. Because they can turn into bats and infiltrate stuff, they can get evidence that they wouldn't otherwise have. Oh,

SPEAKER_01:

you just made me miss what we do in the shadows.

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And they could be on TV, too, in that show.

SPEAKER_01:

I miss that show.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Shall we move on?

SPEAKER_00:

We watched some television. Yeah. Surprising as that might be for our listeners, but we did watch

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it. For our podcast called We Watch

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TV. We watched some television. First up, and these are both of the things we're about to talk about. We watched the full season. It wasn't difficult to do because they were fairly short, as everything is these days. But these ones weren't even probably 40-minute episodes, most of them. But we started out with Apple TV Plus... Minus whatever that app is called. The Studio.

SPEAKER_01:

We actually got Apple TV. No, I got a new phone.

SPEAKER_00:

You got a new phone. So we got three free months. But what was funny about

SPEAKER_01:

this show was that I guess I didn't really know what

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you were talking about. I had been asking you for like a month ahead of time. Like, we should watch The Studio. And I was

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like, no.

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So I canceled Apple TV Plus Minus because...

SPEAKER_01:

Wait, but we got it for free. We have like three months free.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I canceled it because I was like, well, she's not going to watch it. And then like three days after I canceled it... Well, no, it was three days after the cancellation period ended, so we actually couldn't access it. You were like, hey, this show, The Studio, we should watch that. I

SPEAKER_01:

was like, it has Katherine Hahn, Seth Rogen in it, and you were like, are you serious?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, you were.

SPEAKER_01:

I was. And you know what? Forgive my scrambled eggs brain because we're both tired. It's 2025. It's exhausting, people. So just cut me a break. A little cut me a

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break. Okay. I'll cut you a break. I'll remind you about the show, too. So, the studio. Seth Rogen, in the first episode, becomes the new head of Continental Studios. His previous boss, the...

SPEAKER_01:

Katherine Heigl. Or not Katherine Heigl.

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Katherine.

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I couldn't remember her name and I was hoping you could come up with it. And there we are. Katherine Heigl.

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Katherine O'Hara, right?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I just know her as Kevin's mom and Moira Rose. That is her name, right? Katherine O'Hara. Now you have me

SPEAKER_00:

confused. Yes. So Katherine O'Hara's character is fired as the studio head. Not

SPEAKER_01:

Katherine Heigl.

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Seth Rogen. She's

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in another. Katherine Heigl is in a movie from 2007 with Seth Rogen. Knocked Up.

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Catherine O'Hara. The demographics we're talking to are familiar with Knocked Up. You do not need to explain that movie to them. Okay. So anyways, the studio head is fired. Seth Rogen's character... What's his name? I don't know. Seth Rogen. He's Seth Rogen.

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I think his name's Matt.

SPEAKER_00:

Matt becomes the studio head and... He was previously like a creative executive. Yeah, he's Matt Remick. So he was like involved with making the movies. And now as the studio head, the basic, the gist of the show is he has to kind of wrestle with changing becoming the studio head who people don't tend to like

SPEAKER_01:

yeah

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versus more of the creative side and he has to manage the business and the creative side now the real sticker to the show and the thing that makes me like it quite a lot

SPEAKER_01:

i love the opening credits

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is the camera work it's a one camera show

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oh i thought you're gonna talk about how we because every time we start it we always talk about the the credits how it looks that old timey like

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i mean i like that part but that's not like the all-encompassing thing that makes the show unique from everything else it's just

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cool

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it's a one camera I love that it's on an actual studio lot, too. Yes, I do!

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from Desperate Housewives. And then they actually like showed it. I was like, there's Susan's house. I was like, there's Gabby's house. There's Bree's house. It was super cool. I think I will say this, though, about your camera style comment. Not a great show to watch, though, for the first show that I watched with my new glasses on because I had a new prescription. And I was trying to get used to it. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this is giving me a headache. Because anytime you get a new prescription, it's just, you know, it's hard. Well, you don't. But other people out there know what it's like to adjust to it. So my eyes were like, what, what, what, what?

SPEAKER_00:

But I have a couple notes here that I wrote down. So they took some shots at Disney and the volume.

SPEAKER_01:

Did they make the Mandalorian joke?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And honestly, this show took a shot at a lot of Hollywood. They took

SPEAKER_01:

shots at everybody. Netflix, even though the actual CEO of Netflix shows up in an episode.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and takes a shot at himself.

SPEAKER_01:

They took shots at Ron Howard basically comes on and made fun of himself in a way. They took shots at everybody. Olivia Wilde came on and made fun of herself. Yeah. Because she's been known to be really intense to work with and difficult. I think, I don't remember, it was the one with Harry Styles and Florence Pugh that she directed or something, that movie, and she was known as causing a lot of problems. And I feel like they almost leaned into that incident. I felt like, personally, that's what they were going for on the show. Matt Remick, Seth Rogen's character, let's just address him real quick, can we? Sure, yeah. So annoying. I don't think I've ever been so annoyed with the character. Yeah, very annoying. He's like that classic artsy-fartsy type, but now he has himself in this position. Where

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he has to make money, too. Where he has

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to make money. And I'm the type of person that I think all movies are great. I think there's a place for the Oscar-type serious movies that make you think, but I also think there's a place for your Marvel superhero movies, just your action-packed movies like Twisters, for example. Or. I think there's a place for your rom-coms.

SPEAKER_00:

Or the Kool-Aid Man movie. Or

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the Kool-Aid Man. I would have totally watched that. Martin Scorsese showed up in an episode. He was

SPEAKER_00:

good, too. He was good as an actor.

SPEAKER_01:

He was pitching a movie that was going to be about a cult. And what do you think? Drink the Kool-Aid. So Seth Rogen tries to be like, that's how we could do it. And then they're like, you can't do that. So they had to buy the rights to Scorsese's movie. But now he can never make it. And that was supposedly going to be the last movie ever made. And

SPEAKER_03:

then

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he got killed. I don't know. Adam Scott came on and played himself. Speaking of Hacks, we had, I think we talked about Hacks in the last episode.

SPEAKER_00:

Not speaking of Hacks this episode, but last episode, which for us was only like an hour ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Aaron from The Boys and Anthony Starr showed up. Was it the Golden Globes? Yeah, the Golden Globes. I'd like to thank Sal Saperstein. And that's the guy that works with Seth's character, who was also up for the job but didn't get it. And Adam Scott, I guess he used to live on South couch and made this whole like joke so they leaned in the whole bit

SPEAKER_00:

I have one other cameo for you that person playing their self in my notes Sarah Polly

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, talk about a deep dive for that. the rich niece that came to live with Aunt Hedy and had to live on Avonlea and farm stuff.

SPEAKER_00:

Do I recall Hedy being

SPEAKER_01:

kind of mean? Yeah, Hedy was mean. Because your mom watched Avonlea, right? Yeah. Do you remember Gus when Gus lost his memory? I don't

SPEAKER_00:

remember that, no. The only thing that sticks out to me is the other... It wasn't Hedy. Anna Green Gables. No, no, no. This was Avonlea. It wasn't Hedy, but it was a couple that had kids, and there was a bathtub scene. I remember that scene. That was traumatizing. This is how they bathed back then, and I'm like, this looks awful. You're just bathing in your own filth.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, no. I thought you were talking about when Hedy fell in the shower or fell in the bath or something. I think she fell. No. Maybe I'm making

SPEAKER_00:

that up. She was like, well, the wife was like scrubbing the guy down. I was like, I don't need to see this.

SPEAKER_01:

Is it Olivia and Jasper? Maybe.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't

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know. I don't know. Anyway. Anyway. I was like, and I didn't even hear them say Sarah. I'm like, this looks a lot like Sarah Pauly who was on Avonlea. Turns out it was Sarah Pauly playing Sarah Pauly. That scene was

SPEAKER_00:

awful. That episode. I think that was the second episode. That episode was so good. It was so good. Because they were trying to time their shot with the sun. Well, when I

SPEAKER_01:

say it was awful, I don't mean the episode was awful. I meant like the feelings, the emotions that made me so mad at Matt because they didn't like that he was on set. And they're like, well, maybe he can get us some more money to use rights. So what is it? You can't always get what you want.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And then it turns out he kept ruining the scene. And then the whole bit, it was almost like a Curb Your Enthusiasm thing where they always circle back to the beginning. And they arrived on set. And Sal was like, well, we need to park over here. And he's like, no, it's fine. I'm the studio head. I can park right here. They

SPEAKER_00:

ended up ruining the shot because their car was in the way. It was great. It was

SPEAKER_01:

great. Katherine Hahn plays the marketing PR person. You always lock the camera shots and stuff, and we both like the way the credits are. But one of the things that I always like when I watch shows is the fashion. They have her in each episode. head to toe in some type of designer whether it's like adidas or like burberry like to the point where it's not subtle like she's wearing all the accessories and it's just it's so funny what the one the episode that sticks out to me was the one where they were casting the kool-aid movie and then they oh

SPEAKER_03:

yeah

SPEAKER_01:

all the let's just call it what is all the white people working way overthought it they're like what's gonna be oh this could be offensive they were basically but being offensive by thinking something could be offensive so then they changed the cast and one of the girls that worked for them um she was like okay now this is offensive so it was just like oh and you i i guarantee you that conversations like that and how to balance that probably do go on in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_00:

The thing that I liked about this show so much is because, you know, Seth has been in Hollywood for so long, and the guy that plays Sal, I think, is a writer on the show. I

SPEAKER_01:

think Sal was on MADtv. That's how he

SPEAKER_00:

started his own comedy. They've been around Hollywood, and you know a lot of this comes from real places.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, the fact that they got the actual head of Netflix, you confirmed

SPEAKER_00:

this, right? Yes, I did. That was the head of Netflix said... So what happens is they're at the Golden Globes and Matt is obsessed with getting Zoe Kravitz to thank him. To play herself. To thank him if she wins. Because then he sees a couple Netflix shows are winning and they are thanking the studio head. And he's upset because the studio head, his name is not in the credits.

SPEAKER_01:

And they're already taking shots at Netflix. A set of movies that are done by studios that are going to the big screen. Because one of their plot points is they might get bought by Amazon. I love how they're just name dropping

SPEAKER_00:

I know it's great yeah but so so so anyways Seth Rogen ends up in the bathroom with the head of Netflix and he's like how do you get your actors and actresses to like thank you and like you and like you so much that they thank you in your speech and he's like oh you put that in the contract you don't leave that up to chance and this walks out I was just You know, I'm not going to glaze a CEO of any company, but I have to have respect for that because that was– and he also actually was pretty good in the role he had. If you put me in front of movie cameras, I'm going to look like a deer in headlights. So it takes a certain type of person to be able to stand in front of those scenes and do the lines.

SPEAKER_01:

So here's a question. It's got to be true. I always thought that they prepared their remarks. They either memorized them or they brought– because you do sometimes see some of them bring up– Notepads of paper. But Zoe Kravitz was acting like the whole time. She's like, oh, I'm not going to win. She's like, oh, I know I'm going to win. I submitted my speech. I know where

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to act. It's going to be on the teleprompter.

SPEAKER_01:

Is that a thing they do? Of

SPEAKER_00:

course. When they're giving a speech. Listen, everybody. Inside baseball here. If you're watching an award show and the actor or actress or musician or whoever that just won is looking right at the camera. They're reading off teleprompter.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm here to accept this award on Jessica Ashley's behalf. I'd like to thank my friends. There's Rachel. The prestigious Sophie's. If you know, you know. I

SPEAKER_00:

love this show. You know, it's not up there for me in like any kind of. conversation about Best Thing going. But it was a good show. I think

SPEAKER_01:

it's going to win some awards.

SPEAKER_00:

It was funny in all the ways you want it to be funny. Just shenanigans. They need more seasons and if you have Apple TV Plus Minus go watch the studio. You will not be

SPEAKER_01:

disappointed. I almost forgot about that. That was really nice getting to see Mysterio Lane.

SPEAKER_00:

They ran through Mysterio Lane and all the back lots there. It was just a really good time. Sometimes you just need a show that's a good time. And it was. Oh, and Bryan Cranston comes in and...

SPEAKER_01:

What's his role?

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So he owns the studio as the CEO.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Seth Rogen is the

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head

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of the studio who runs it. So he runs all that creative part. And you still get

SPEAKER_01:

Catherine O'Hara because she's a producer now. So she still has connections. She produced Zoe's movie. I'd say that's probably the most normal character she's ever played. Well, except for Kate McAllister.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, except for at the end there when she almost hangs them out to dry.

SPEAKER_01:

They had him coming, though.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_01:

They had to pull... They had to pretend... Well, he wasn't dead. They weakened and burned him. They weakened and burned him. He wasn't dead, but he was totally really... Because they had an old-school

SPEAKER_00:

Hollywood buffet. Old-school Hollywood buffet.

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Which no one

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actually knew what that meant. Just go watch the show and you'll know. We won't spoil that. It's too good. It's too good. It really is good. I can't recommend it enough. It's just fun.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I said, I think it's going to win some awards.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Well, the camera work alone is impressive. Like that's the technical thing that I really enjoyed about the show. And the actors work dealing with that. I can't imagine how many shoot, how many shots they have to like redo.

SPEAKER_01:

How

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many shoots they got to redo on that thing. Oh, and

SPEAKER_01:

his mom, Seth Rogen's mom, Matt's mom is played by.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. We were like, because you don't see her until later, but he called her a couple times, and you and I were like, who is that voice? We have heard this voice. All

SPEAKER_00:

right. Well, after that, now we're going to switch over to Badum Network, also known as Netflix. Netflix.

SPEAKER_01:

And this is where our Steve Carell reference comes in. Circling back, if you're still listening.

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We're circling back. We're circling back. And then The Office will come up because I can't not have commented. The Four Seasons, a show on Netflix.

SPEAKER_01:

Now, we started watching this show because I was like, okay, Tina Fey did this show. And we were trying to find, we had drained the content dry, basically. And we were trying to choose. And Daniel was like, let's just do that one. We need something funny. It started off funny, and I'm not saying it was bad, but it really did take a turn. So basically the four seasons.

SPEAKER_00:

By the way, people know this, but let's say it again for this show in particular because I think this show really needs it. Spoiler city. We're going to spoil the ending of this show. I

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think we said the spoiler thing on the last podcast.

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We didn't say it on this one yet.

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We do chapter markers.

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In this particular show, if you haven't watched it and you want to,

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Exit out. Spoiler

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city ahead. Spoiler city ahead. There's a twist.

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And it's not about the four seasons as in the band. It's about the four seasons as in spring, summer,

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fall, winter. I think most people, when they hear the four seasons, they think of the seasons of the year.

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You don't think of the

SPEAKER_00:

four seasons? No, not once. Jersey Boys? Nope. All right.

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Anyway, it's about probably a group, I'd say Gen X. Yeah. Our age, a little older. Friend group. I think they mostly met in college, three of them. And then they have their spouses and they go on vacation like once a season with each other. We open up in spring. And it's at a lake house, which I believe is Steve Carell's characters, Nick and Anne, his wife. I just remember her as Joshua from Glenn's Wife from Superstore. She's been in a bunch of stuff. She does a lot of comedic work. We're at their house. And we've got Tina Fey, her husband. I think he was on SNL. Yes, he was. I just know. He was MacGruber. I think of him as his cameo on Parks and Rec. Not cameo, but his appearance on Parks and Rec where he was obsessed with putting the Twilight books in time capsule and he like locked himself in leslie's office so i always think of that because he has just and he has a very distinct vocal fry yeah and then we've got colton coleman is it coleman domingo yep um and then his husband the italian guy claude

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claude

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claude

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you

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know this guy's italian which i love claude no no

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no

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so they all meet up and they're at they're in spring they're at the Slake house they all get there and Nick Steve Carell basically opens up to the guys that he's gonna leave Ann he's he's bored he says he built her this pottery kiln and she never she just plays a game on her iPad the whole time and that'll that'll come up later the whole iPad thing and he's just he's he's never he hasn't been happy in years he wants excitement and now that Lily his daughter's in college she thinks it's the perfect time to blow up his family Meanwhile, we've got Anne who's like, I'm planning our vow renewal as a surprise when he gets back from the bagel store. So she's setting up everything and they're like, we got

SPEAKER_00:

to tell Anne. She kind of alluded to the fact that she is doing that specifically because she thinks maybe it'll get him to hold on for a little bit. Yeah, she did allude

SPEAKER_01:

that there is trouble in paradise. So he gets there. It looks like he's going to go through with the vow renewal to keep the peace.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And then the pottery shed blows up, just like the symbolism of their marriage. So enter part two. We are now in fall. It's family weekend.

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Spring.

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Spring. It's fall. Summer. Summer. Oh, yeah. It is summer. Summer. I forgot about summer. I've always wanted to go straight to fall.

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Sorry. In summer. You kept saying

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spring, spring. I was like, I just talked about spring. So I clearly jumped ahead because I was probably very triggered in the summer episode. So we go to the summer vacation spot. And they're at some beach. Not a nice resort. A place that has yurts that look like they smell like the inside of a gym sock. And the resort is... powered by poop and that's how the uh the melons are grown or something yeah

SPEAKER_00:

they're compost they're using their compost to grow melons yes that's how all your food is grown by the way you

SPEAKER_01:

have all the couples there and you see a blonde lady because anna's blonde hair in the waves turns around it's some and it's not even showing that young but still 30 which is way younger 32 32 i think the actress is 32 we don't know how old

SPEAKER_00:

they said 32 in the show

SPEAKER_01:

Well, dude, I've skipped a whole season, so I don't know, dude. I don't know. So, yeah, Anne. Anne's history. He went through with the divorce. Now he's hooking up. Like, wasted no time. You know what? I'm glad you reminded me of this because now I'm getting ragey. Like... That's what I'm here for. It could have only been just a couple months.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

At most. And he literally said, he's like, it's not about another woman. But is it? This woman, he's known her for a while. She was his hygienist. And while I definitely blame him more for it, Jenny is not. That's his new girlfriend. She knew what she was getting into. Older and probably the money's nice. Recently divorced man and you choose to put yourself in that position and hop into that. That's partly on you, girl. Girl. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But Nick is the main villain.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And I agree with what you're saying. However, the friend group was really mean to her.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't think I would have been nice either. So I can't really... I think I would have been very... I'd probably been

SPEAKER_00:

very nice. Did you learn anything through the course of this show? Because I think they were trying to teach you something.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, I would have been polite. I would have been more like fake nice to her probably.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyways, and...

SPEAKER_01:

You would... I would be Team Anne. Sorry. Anyway, they see Anne is actually because Steve Carell in his old age didn't change their iCloud password. So all his photos that he's taking, Anne still sees. All of the photos that he's taking. So she knows they're on vacation. She goes over to this resort and they find out because Claude and I forget his name now. They're like, we got to peace out of this terrible

SPEAKER_00:

Europe. So they sneak into the nice resort and they find Anne. And they see him. And she's there. And Anne was originally there to blow it up. And like, ah, I see you guys are all out here. But then she decides, no, I'm just going to hunker down and be sad. Which is really sad. Yeah. What a bummer. Yeah. Well, it's one of those things where you forget. And I think this is kind of to Steve Carell's character. He forgets that, you know. when you blow something like a marriage up, it's not just you and your wife, kids, it's your friends, it's your family, all that stuff is involved with it. And I think, you know, I'm not saying stay in a relationship that you're not happy in, but I don't think he really thought it doesn't get the impression that he thought about it as much. We later find out some more stuff from his character as

SPEAKER_01:

well. So now we can go to fall.

SPEAKER_00:

Now we can go to fall. Which

SPEAKER_01:

comes after summer, I've been told. And it's family weekend at the kids' school. Tina Fey, I think her name's Kate in the show, their daughter goes to this college, and then Nick and Anne's daughter goes to this college. It looks to me like they're probably in a New England area, but it gave me Athens vibes, like Athens, Ohio, not Georgia.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah,

SPEAKER_01:

for sure. Reminded me of OU area, if you guys are familiar with Ohio University, not Ohio State. Ohio University in a very small town of Athens, Ohio. Really much the streets, some of the shops, the restaurants they went to, you and I were both like positive. We're like, doesn't this look like Athens? So I know that's not where they were, but that's what it reminded us of. And Anne is there as well, obviously, because she is Lily's mother. And Nick, Steve Carell's character, thought it was cool to bring Jenny along. This is where I definitely blame him. Because Jenny was like, are you sure I should come to this family thing? He's like, oh yeah, it's fine. It was not fine.

SPEAKER_00:

By the way, so this is where I first noticed it. So I'm going to go ahead and just say it right here. So Steve Carell's daughter is in theater classes. She puts on a play that is basically... Dragging her father.

SPEAKER_01:

Dad ruined our lives.

SPEAKER_00:

For divorcing mom and getting with a young hussy. Whose

SPEAKER_01:

personality is squats.

SPEAKER_00:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he gets mad at her. Every time Steve Carell in this show talks to somebody in the manner in which he's scolding or blah, blah, blah, he gets that high-pitched voice. The way he talks to Jenny? Yeah. His girlfriend? He gets that high-pitched voice and Michael Scott. It's like he infantilizes people. He sounds exactly like Michael Scott.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. There's

SPEAKER_00:

your office reference. The office people. I

SPEAKER_01:

feel like we would hate way more if it was played by somebody other than Steve Carell.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he has a way to be charming even when he's being a real POS.

SPEAKER_01:

So they've got their... He does have a talk with the daughter and she's like, fine, I'll try. And it takes Anne stepping in to be like, even though she hates Jenny in the situation, obviously, she's just kind of like, hey, Jenny's a person. And you can tell how hard that was for Ann. And we've got all this time, all the couples are having their own problems, even if they're not divorced. Yeah. Which is a really good look at marriage, honestly, because I watched a TikTok a couple weeks ago, and it said no matter who you're married to, you– As you grow in a marriage, you're not the person you were when you got married, especially if you got married younger. Everybody changes. You evolve. That's just the way everybody changes over time. And it's about adapting to those changes. So it does address it in a funny way, but then sometimes it's a little

SPEAKER_00:

real. I think any married couple that's been together for a sufficient amount of time will find some relating issues here. And I thought those things, how they did them and how they displayed them and how they resolved them or how they didn't resolve them I think they did a really really good job on it so like even though this was a comedy show it hit home and it got deep of course when we get to winter we'll see how deep it goes but I thought it did a really good job there and I do have to like applaud it for that like it tackled those issues head on

SPEAKER_01:

and also like we have one character that's stressed out about like aging

SPEAKER_00:

yeah

SPEAKER_01:

exactly as you know so okay anything else you want to say about well i like this the scene where uh tina fey brings her husband a sandwich but she got the wrong one and he's like picking off the tomatoes and i'm like and he's trying to be nice about it yeah because they had been kind of fighting and i'm like you know though i'm gonna say this he picked it off and he didn't complain i would have complained

SPEAKER_00:

oh yeah you would

SPEAKER_01:

have complained okay people

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, boy.

SPEAKER_01:

Picking off a tomato, this coming from the guy that freaks out if you put cheese on his burger. Give me a break, Daniel. A tomato, it ruins everything. It's an immediate vibe killer because it makes your bread soggy, so then your bread is compromised. It's never as easy as just picking it off. And being somebody who is absolutely repulsed by tomatoes, especially on a sandwich... I completely understand that scene. I remember one time my dad being like, just pick it off when we were at a restaurant and was telling me I couldn't order another sandwich. And I'm like, I specifically asked for no tomatoes. It's one of those things that I'm very triggered when people act so casual about it.

SPEAKER_00:

You done?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, I am.

SPEAKER_00:

So winter.

SPEAKER_01:

Winter. Winter hit hard, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Winter hit hard. The worst season. The friend groups are all getting together for their vacation. New Year's Eve. New Year's Eve. Skip Christmas. They give you a little bit of a tease. But what ends up happening is Steve Carell's character has gone. Nick has gone with Jenny's friend group this year. And all the other ones are together with Anne and her guy. Her new beau who plays

SPEAKER_01:

guitar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he doesn't last. He doesn't last.

SPEAKER_01:

I really like that scene where they all notice he brings the guitar and they're all like, oh, gosh. Because we've all been there where somebody brings a guitar and you're just like, please, no.

SPEAKER_00:

And you know what? They do try and pay that joke off later. Oh, they did. They played it off well, even though it was so bad and sad. Okay. So, I mean, there's no, like, listen. Steve Carell struggles with the fact that Jenny's friend group is her age, which is 32.

SPEAKER_01:

You see him, you really see, it emphasizes how selfish he can be. Jenny really put an effort in with his friends who, like you said, and that's like her friends aren't exactly being nice to him either. It's awkward and weird. But, like, she did try. And you can just tell that he's just, like, bumming out, not trying. He feels so old. And what is he doing in bed when they have a fight? Playing games. on an iPad just like Ann did that would make him mad. So that's your full circle moment there. He did FaceTime the others because they were telling this funny story. Every friend group has a story that other people might listen and be like, that's not funny. So her friend group was like, okay. So he ends up FaceTiming. They call him and they're like, what was that guy's name that was here? So he's talking to them, missing them. So that's kind of their story. I guess last interaction with Nick.

SPEAKER_00:

Spoiler alert. Nick dies.

SPEAKER_01:

And it is. It really, I did

SPEAKER_00:

not. As it turned out, Nick is dead.

SPEAKER_01:

The big dead. For sure.

SPEAKER_00:

Car accident. Goner. Goner. I

SPEAKER_01:

really did

SPEAKER_00:

not see that coming. Six feet deep.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you see that

SPEAKER_00:

coming? Dirt nap. I did not.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not funny.

SPEAKER_00:

I did not see that coming.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, he's in the grocery store because he and Jenny have a fight.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And he's trying to make it up. She's like, you only brought groceries for yourself. You don't respect my gluten-free vegan friends. So he's trying to buy products. And he even makes a reference to the inside joke her friend group had.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And that's the last thing you hear from him.

SPEAKER_01:

And then Tina Fey's phone, she had dropped it in the hot tub. So she has it in a rice bag. And suddenly, her phone's blown up. And I was like, oh, did something happen? And it's Jenny calling her, and yeah, he's dead. And

SPEAKER_00:

the last episode is his funeral.

SPEAKER_01:

So we also find out during this time from Anne, Anne's basically like, cause she still feels very, all the emotions, all the complications. That's somebody she knew for, you know, was, was married and with for over 20 years. And she's like, yeah, he cheated on me like a couple of times in our marriage and I just, I just let it go. So we find out that this is not, this was not the first time, this time he just chose to blow up his life entirely. Yeah. And it was really sad. And then we've got, obviously, the awkwardness of Jenny at the funeral. And then they did make the funeral funny. It took me back to that episode of Golden Girls with Mr. Pfeiffer funeral home. Like, basically, Tina Fey, Kate, and her husband, they are fighting... still about like their lack of communication they've been trying to go to therapy and she's like you need to you need to actually go in there and tell this funeral guy we're not paying for these services and he like comes back he's like i tried but you know marty the funeral director said that like this is stuff we need well kate who's been known to be kind of bossy in the whole friend group

SPEAKER_00:

kind of

SPEAKER_01:

yeah she like takes it over basically and they get there and funeral guy's gone and it's just dumb sons running the show and like basically they needed this to pay for

SPEAKER_00:

they needed the stuff yeah they

SPEAKER_01:

have like a room that's not even set up and they bring out like folding chairs and it's not funny the urn was like a stripper shoe because she's like

SPEAKER_00:

it was a little funny it was a little funny

SPEAKER_01:

yeah they had to make such a dark moment that i feel like is going to be very like i did not expect like death

SPEAKER_00:

it was it was um it was shocking like it Truly, like, shocking. Like, that was just not a twist. We

SPEAKER_01:

didn't believe it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that was not a twist I saw coming.

SPEAKER_01:

At all. It was very sad. And then the whole thing, like, the conflict of, like, can Jenny speak? Can she be at the funeral? And Kate's character also tells Jenny, no, you can't put these pictures in the slideshow. So then she decides she wants to talk. Anne's like, you're not getting to talk. So we have all that. Now, Claude did speak. He had a dream that Nick was a butterfly, but they actually sweetly referenced

SPEAKER_00:

that. They paid that off in a way that was actually quite touching, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Because, yeah, they opened the cabinet and there's a drawing that Lily had done for her dad of a butterfly. So I thought that was really well done from a writing perspective. Funny, yet still that sad and bittersweet emotions when you see like, oh, maybe he wasn't full of it. Maybe Claude was right. Maybe Nick is a butterfly. Yeah. But then we've got Ann super still obviously upset, feeling all the feelings. And they think Jenny's missing, but she's really just out back. And she shows– or did Ann see the pictures first or something? Yeah. Yeah, she found the pictures.

SPEAKER_00:

She found the pictures in the trash can of the computer. And

SPEAKER_01:

they really should have used the pictures because Ann started smiling.

SPEAKER_00:

Because it was him happy.

SPEAKER_01:

And how she remembered him being happy. And then our big– our sizzler, because we are getting a season two of the four seasons, is that Jenny is pregnant. So I think that's how you're going to keep Jenny in the friend group since now they feel like they need to– that's a piece of their friend that they're going to need to support. So it was not the slapstick, ha-ha, 30 Rock style funny rom-com comedy that I thought I was going to get. It's almost more in line of a nobody wants this type of comedy,

SPEAKER_00:

a little serious comedy. Yeah, I'd say that's apt.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm not saying it's– Any conversation were best thing going, but I do think it was really well written.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01:

And we breezed through it. Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

easily. It was like 30 to 45 minute episodes. There's only eight episodes. It went very quickly. But

SPEAKER_01:

if anybody other than Steve Carell had played Nick, it would have just... Not been great.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he has that ability. I really didn't like his character. Yeah, his character was not likable, especially the more information you learn about him. And that last episode that he's in, he's very mean. You see

SPEAKER_01:

this as a pattern in his life.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, yes. And you see maybe a little bit of hope at the end that he's trying to turn around when he uses that. Yeah, then he dies. Then he's gone. And that's kind of how life goes. It was sombering. but it

SPEAKER_01:

wasn't good I felt like it was one of the shows that's really honestly gotten a good depiction of marriage and like the conflicts and the work and the work that you can do in yourself like they they actually it's still they struck the balance of still being funny but actually being like oh yeah like that is a conflict for a lot of couples like communication issues I

SPEAKER_00:

would like to communicate to you that this episode should be about over

SPEAKER_01:

same i'm not the one that was like six feet under all the way down gone gone gone it

SPEAKER_00:

was dirt nap was the last one thank you is

SPEAKER_01:

there anything

SPEAKER_00:

else you want to say i think we've said it all and with that thank you all for listening and we will see you next time bye

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