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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel dive into the latest Star Wars saga that is Andor Season 2. Is this the greatest TV comeback in history? Listen to find out! Also, get out your dirty sodas because Hulu’s The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is back! Hope binged the show this weekend (Daniel watched some) and has a few thoughts on this must-see reality tv masterpiece.

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:09:49) Star Wars Andor (season 2)
(01:00:05) Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (season 2)

Music by yourtunes from Pixabay

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SPEAKER_01:

Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel. She is Hope. This is episode 105 and we have completed the test. We raved about chilies and then we said we should give Applebee's another shot.

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Now we didn't eat inside Applebee's. You need to preface that. I'm kind of glad I didn't. So

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we missed out on all the BO flavors that come along with that. We didn't have the

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food until quite a few hours later, which can't impact it. Anyways,

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we got Applebee's and it sucked.

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It was not good. And we had had, I think the last time we ate at Applebee's, we did eat inside. It was in December. It was like Christmas Eve, Eve or something. Yeah. And we had, I had that reindeer drink that was like pure sugar that I got. It was like reindeer punch or something. I think you just had beer. So maybe that masked like the feeling of the food. And I think we were just so like stressed from the last minute shopping that we just were hungry. And we hadn't had the amazingness of Chili's, minus the Chili's Airport, which is like a limited menu, right? Chili's to go. It's like Chili's to go. Which, you know, if I lived near that airport, I would be like, let me do security so I can get this food. They

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probably have a Chili's outside the airport around there.

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Likely. I forget that places have amenities around here. But the only good thing I'm going to say about Applebee's was their packaging, like the way they packaged our to-go items.

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They had the wing, the boneless chicken. Not wings. Boneless chicken. Oh, my gosh. Boneless wings. In a package. And then, like, the chips in their own thing so they didn't get soggy. And what else we got? I don't even remember what else we

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got. You were raving about their packaging. You were like, at least I love how they got it.

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Well, they separated it out. Everything is in its nice little place. And so it doesn't get all smeared all over the place.

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That's about the only good thing I have to say about it.

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Correct.

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It tasted bad eating it. It tasted bad after. It gave me a stomachache. It didn't hit, and it was such a letdown. It was like going from a fancy hotel to a Motel 6. Not that I would consider Chili's to be top-tier elite dining, but we did return to Chili's.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. We couldn't let the taste of Applebee's remain on our tongues. We had to cleanse it. So we went back to the same Chili's and had a very similar experience. Food was excellent.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no notes. It was a very stressful week last week. So much going on. So I don't think, I can't tell you the last time we went out to dinner on a Friday night when we weren't on vacation.

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It's been a long time.

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It has been a long time. Because the last time we did Chili's was after we were running an errand in the middle of the day.

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Yeah.

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It's been a long time. That used to be like our thing. We got to eat. The one restaurant that locally that we would go out to eat though, like burned down. Like that had my good queso. You remember that? Yes.

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Yes.

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I think that was like right before the pandemic. So it wasn't one of the, like it literally like something happened with like a kitchen fire. And yeah, there's, unless it's like, which I know you like B-dubs, but you wouldn't stand B-dubs as much if it wasn't like the only option. I feel like.

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Correct. And also I don't put B-dubs in the same category of restaurant as Chili's. It's

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more like.

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It's more, more bar food specific.

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Even though what I'm ordering at Chili's is bar food. It's like, Bar food raised a little bit. Chili's is just, it's the best chain restaurant. You know how we have the best thing going show-wise? It's the best chain

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restaurant. No, I have a better idea. We're going to rank them. So we've got three that are fresh in our mind. We're going to rank restaurants.

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What was the third one?

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So Applebee's, B-Dub's. And Chili's. And then every week, every time we eat a new one, we're going to add it to the list.

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I ate at Bob Evans recently.

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Bob Evans is not in the same category as these restaurants.

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It's a chain restaurant.

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You have to be able to buy alcohol there.

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Okay. So like a bar

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and grill type setup. Mid-tier bar and grill restaurants. So right now, I believe our list is Chili's, B-Dubs, Applebee's.

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I

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will fight you on that, those last two. B-Dubs is better than Applebee's.

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Yeah, we never eat in B-dubs either, though. We always get it takeout. I'm going to say probably I'll agree with you based on how terrible Applebee's tasted. Not even the dip that I got from there was good.

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This list, to me, applies for takeout as well.

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Takeout.

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You say we only eat at B-Dubs for takeout. I put Chili's above B-Dubs and Applebee's for takeout as well. Because we got leftovers. Because we got leftovers. And I figured out how to use the air fryer to get those Southwest egg rolls warmed up properly and crispy. And they were delicious.

SPEAKER_02:

So good. I would still say, and I think probably you would disagree with me on this just because you're not as into it as I am. In my, I would put, because the last time we had Olive Garden was Valentine's Day. We get to go. I would put Olive Garden above B-dubs because I love me some OGs.

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I think we need, for this ranking, for this specific ranking, I think we need to go back to Olive Garden to put it on the list right now.

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So another to-go experience or to dine in?

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I think we should dine in. I think we've done to-go enough. I think we need to go back in.

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When you're here, you're family. We

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haven't seen family in a while.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, the Chili's. No, no. It's Triple Dipper. We actually ended up getting extra food because they gave us a Double Dipper instead of a Triple Dipper. They gave us extra Southwest Egg Rolls. Oh, no. And we did that again with the cheese fries. What did you say about the cheese fries? You said something

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that

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almost took my breath

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away. If you know me, this is going to be a shocking statement. If you don't know me, maybe it won't be a shocking statement. I could eat those Texas cheese fries at Chili's. as my main course. Are they called

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Texas Cheese Fries? Yeah. Oh, I didn't even notice. As my main course. And that's just, that really is big for you because you are the type of person that you used to be like, again, Daniel always thought he had to have some type of steak, like heaven help us. I feel like you never knew when the next steak was going to come. So you felt like you had to do that every time at a restaurant, even if it's like a crappy steak. But yeah, I mean, I would eat the cheese fries as an entree as well.

SPEAKER_01:

But you have eaten cheese fries as an entree. I have. I used to get the Aussie cheese fries. It's not a surprising statement for you.

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When I was like 90 pounds in high school, I would get the Aussie cheese fries as my entree because I could eat it as my entree with no repercussions. Thank you very much. Times are different now. Now I have to have like a fun meal that I look forward to on the weekends usually. Yeah, we were so enticed by the cheese fries, her setting them down on the table that we didn't even notice. Yeah. And then Daniel's like, hey, where's our chicken? And I was like, oh, they didn't bring us the chicken, did they? So then we got extra chicken. And then, as you said, we ordered extra Southwest Egg Girls. Those Southwest Egg Girls are top tier. And you know what? They are vegetarian. So I'm just going to consider them healthy, air quotes. They got some black beans in it. Great. And the way you– I always thought they were fine in the microwave. You know how badly I want to say microwave?

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Microwave.

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Like the stupid TikTok. If you know, you know. But you figured out how to put them in the air fryer.

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And you're like, I'm going to try that.

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I don't know why we didn't do that before. I think they tasted even better than they did getting them at our table.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know that I'm going to go that far, but they were definitely good warmed up in the air fryer.

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Top tier.

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Turns out...

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I just want to go to Chili's every weekend now.

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Yeah, same. Turns out, like, when it comes to appliances and kitchens, air fryer's not a fad. Pressure cooker, kind of the pressure, the Instant Pot, kind of a fad.

SPEAKER_02:

I can't recall the last time we... Use the

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Instapot. I do our boiled eggs in them.

SPEAKER_02:

It's not Insta. Is it Insta the brand? Instant Instapot? What is it? Are we having a Kleenex tissue situation? I have no idea. What is it actually called? Is it Instapot? I think you're right. It's probably more like a pressure cooker. They're pressure cookers. Somebody tell me. They're pressure cookers. You know what I'm meaning when I say, is it a tissue? But you say, like, hand me a Kleenex. But you're right. It's actually like a brand. That being said, Puff's terrible. Where were we when I had to endure... Puffs tissues. Was that one our... When we did the princess half? You made it through somehow. We did the princess half. in Disney in February and I always do like the Walmart delivery service and I don't buy it that she couldn't find Kleenex and she they had to do a substitution and those puffs tissues at least they didn't get me the kind with lotion that make your nose all greasy they were just the regular ones not only do I not like the way you open the box they they don't hit the same like Kleenex has earned that right when people ask like instead of can I have a tissue can I have a Kleenex because that's what you want it is like that's a That's a case of we're brand loyalty. You want the Kleenex. You don't want the puffs. Those tissues were garbage.

SPEAKER_01:

You just sidetracked my sidetrack.

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We are riddled with mental illness here, folks.

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I was sidetracked talking, trying to praise air fryers, and then you somehow got onto tissues, and here we are. I

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don't know. Shall we get into some shows? Let's. I actually have a lot to say, and it's actually good things.

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All righty. Well, here we are. Spoiler podcast. Everything we're going to talk about next, we have watched and we're not going to hold back on saying spoilers. So you have been warned. Also, if you have any strong opinions on mid-tier... Bar and grill style American restaurants. Hit us up in the fan mail and let us know what your favorite is. Am I missing

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one? Like a big one? I think a lot of people... Would you count Texas Roadhouse as one? Logan's. Friday's. A lot of people are really into Texas Roadhouse around here.

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Outback. Is

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TGI Friday still a thing? I feel like they're all shutting down. I

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mean, around here they are not a thing anymore, but I don't know if they are gone gone. That used

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to be like our...

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That was our place.

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Look at us getting... Look at us. Look at us. Anyway, guys, check those chapter markers to avoid spoilers. Shall we kick it off with Andor Season 2?

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Star Wars Andor Season 2.

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On Disney+. It is all out. Yep. You can check out all the episodes now. And I never said that I had an opinion on season two yet. Y'all know what I thought about season one. Didn't love it. Thought the pacing was slow. I did like the episode with the I can't swim guy in the prison. I don't remember what number that was. I did say, you know, everyone told me, get to episode four, get to episode five. And I'm like, no, what y'all should have said is get to the finale. And I did praise them for having a good finale. Well, I'm just going to throw it out. I'm going to go first season two was phenomenal well done you took the issues that I had you fixed them it's I'm not going to say because I'll never get to see something like the acolyte season two so I think it's possible to like both but I am going to say and or season two specifically and now that I put it as a collective whole uh probably is one of the best things that Disney has done with Star Wars. There I said it. You know what, though? Like Rocky said in Rocky IV, I've seen a lot of changing out here tonight. Everyone can change.

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All right, I have a question for you.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, so you want to ask me a question before I jump in?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, before you jump in, real quick, with what you just said about, what you've said in the past about season one to the point where we took a year-long break between watching it. Like more

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than a year. Yeah. Big hiatus.

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Is this the greatest comeback for a TV show that you can think of when it comes to season-to-season change for you? What is

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this Super Bowl? I'm sure Kayla knows if she once is listening, which, again... The Falcons, I think... Was that who they played? I think they fumbled the bag, but where the Patriots came back and won. Was it versus Atlanta? Yeah. And it was one of the... This is like that with the show.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, but I was asking specifically, is there any other shows you can think of that have done this? That have fumbled, in my opinion? That have done this like this. I mean,

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people would disagree with me and think that Andor season one was great, so... Sure, there are a lot of people who disagree, yes. For my personal opinion...

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It's the greatest comeback in TV history for you. Honestly, yeah. For you.

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For me, because like I didn't, I remember like Parks and Rec. I love Parks and Rec. I didn't totally love that first season, but it was so short and it was such a comedy. I could get through it and the pacing didn't bug me. And now it's one of those things that now that I love Parks and Rec so much, I go back and I find this like, even though they made Leslie, they tried to make her like a Michael Scott like character. I can go back and have like a fondness for season one, but it was never like, yeah, there's nothing I can think of that even compares.

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Okay. Yeah.

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Because that's how much I disliked it in the beginning. So it's like that Super Bowl where the Patriots... Was that against the Falcons?

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Yes, it was. I'm sure Kaylin will scream from the high hills if she hears this.

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I feel like everybody, when they think about iconic comeback moments in sports history, that's one of them. and they came back and it's like that's like it's like the Super Bowl of like sports with this all right so Andor my biggest problems with Andor season one was pacing was awful I thought I think they could have but I think you can't watch season two without watching season one so I'm gonna clear it there on that I think the way I would have fixed season one is I would have done a shortened like I would have had less episodes like that's actually an example where I'm like no we didn't need 12 episodes we could have like the time he spent at the camp with those people before it like all that was so boring and the way they would cut between the different scenes of the different characters I felt like they fixed that in season two it was a much the pacing was just better as a whole and at first at first I was gonna have some beef with the pacing in season two but then it ended up making sense and I'll tell you like what the beef is here in a minute but they fixed the pacing I felt like it was the way they just spurt and they go back and forth between the different storylines. I think that was better done. I think they were like... It

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was much more balanced this season. Yes. Yeah, much more balanced. They found the balance with

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the force, you could say. Obviously, the stakes were higher, and that does help from a showwriting perspective. having you told me that you had read that the original plan was for five seasons i think that if they had been allowed to go forward with that plan i would have hated season two because i think they would have done that like glacial pace only at the end do we get like craziness so i think i think that was the right move by disney telling to wrap it up because we we know like how old cassian is we know where we were time wise there's only we know we've seen we've seen the finale of Andor with Rogue One we knew like the time was compressed and there's only so much you can do and I think that I think it was the right move like for a storytelling premise as well but it was fantastic now my first because I know you're looking at me about this and you want me to say it the season season two starts with a one year later time jump and I was like okay you know a lot of shows do that But that's what the format each, from my understanding, Andor released three episodes

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per week. Yeah, three episodes at a time. It's kind of like each one is kind of a self-contained arc of a story. And in between each of those, this is a year time jump.

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And at first I wasn't, I was like, well, come on, what are they doing? And then I'm like, I know I just complained about pacing and now I'm criticizing. That's not what I meant. What I mean by that, and I wish if I had one thing that I would have had them fix with season one or season two, with the one-year time jumps is if they could have sprinkled in a little bit more flashbacks to make some relationships a bit more meaningful. Like Bix and Cassian and or. I know that they had a history and a past based on what I saw for season one. I assume they'd probably be getting together. I would have liked to have seen... them get to that point did they just automatically get back together I would have liked to have seen more from them and that's just for me personally what I like with my ships so to speak on shows is I like to see yearning I like to see build up I've never been the type that is jived with like oh this is the couple you're supposed to root for I don't know if the writers for Andor are men or women but this seems like a man wrote it like oh you're just supposed to assume and I never and I obviously I mean I got so emotional with their goodbye that I even cried because I know you know what obviously happens to his fate with Rogue One but I told you I was never totally on board with the two of them as a couple just because I didn't get to see it. I was like, oh, you're just to assume. And I like to see that. Now, the other couple that I liked, I would call them the what happens when the two worst people you think of get together. I would have liked to have all like they had a little bit more build and interaction.

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Dedra and Cyril. Yes, Dedra and

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Cyril. I assumed if you're an Andor watcher, you know who I'm talking about when I say the two worst people ever. I would have liked to seen a little bit more flashbacks of maybe like their first kiss, but I guess they're never going to be that couple. But I felt like I got to see them more as a couple than I did what I would consider probably like the main couple, which again, Andor is not about the ships. It's not about that. So that's just my– thing with the one year that gets on my nerves I've watched other shows that do that and it's like oh these people are together now and I'm like please I want to see it and probably my guess is one of the episodes that I like which was in that last set of three where you find out how Luthan and is it Kila Clea how they met was almost entirely a flashback was one of my favorite episodes of the season

SPEAKER_01:

yeah and you know the more I've thought about it that last just since we're here and we'll just talk about that episode

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okay

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like To do that in the last three sets, after what they had just done in the Gorman arc, and how they ended that. to then go into a flashback episode, I thought that was kind of a bold choice.

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I

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can see a lot of people not liking that.

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I would agree with you if it had been a weekly release to go from that, but because you knew you had two more, I think it was less of a bold choice. Honestly, I feel like Cassian is less featured in those last three episodes, but we've kind of got him to the point. Yeah, he gets a movie. So we needed to see what else happens. Okay, so that's just going back to the season as a whole. The one-year time jump thing did work for when I realized exactly what they were doing. So again, my only beef was I just wish I could have seen a little bit more thing because I'm a relationship. Not just relationships romantically. I like to see characters. I like to get to know them a little more. I would have liked to have seen that, but in terms of, like you said, there was a way better balance. I... Almost every episode was so good. Like, it's hard for me. Like, I think one of my... I love the wedding episode. I don't know which one

SPEAKER_01:

that was. That was, like, the third episode, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

We already knew that Mon Mothma was basically going to sell her daughter for the rebellion. And can I just say that... We all deserve at some point just to have a Mon Mothma level crash out.

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That's

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the way they did that song in the reception with her just being like, well, screw it. I'm going to get drunk. I'm going to take all these shots, dance around. And she knows that her buddy is about to die because he can't be trusted. So she knows all that. She knows what she's done with her daughter. She's clearly in a loveless marriage. Still don't like my opinion of her husband. We'll get to that in a second. Yeah. But then they had that music going with other parts that were very tense in the show. Was that where Cassian, what was he doing at that point?

SPEAKER_01:

So that was when Cassian was coming back to that wheat planet to save everybody because the Empire was doing the inspection. Was already there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So they just used that music the whole time. And I thought that was brilliantly done. Do you have any thoughts on Mon Mothma crash out wedding?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that whole, like, that whole scene there at the end of that episode to close out the first arc was really, like you said, just incredibly well done. And honestly, like... most of this season was just like

SPEAKER_02:

it was so good like i said i i i told daniel i was like i'm gonna have to come on here and i'm gonna have to say you know what but you know what i wasn't wrong though because i never said i said i might like season two but and or got good like it's it's now that we have season two i i give it the awards I don't know. Are there people out there that like season one better than season two?

SPEAKER_01:

I haven't seen. I haven't really seen too much talk about that yet. I think it's one of those things where I haven't really looked a lot on the internet post the season ending last week. So we'll see. I have. I'm on an Andor specific Reddit. I think you would be very hard pressed to make a case that season one is better than season two. And I enjoyed season one better than you did. I thought season one was very good. But season two... is like if you ever had to have a conversation about best seasons of a drama show oh

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yeah

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I think you have to and or season two is in that conversation

SPEAKER_02:

I still think like when it comes to my personal things like me personally that was it season two when Luke showed up on Mandalorian

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yeah

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And that moment is top for me. I'm not going to say that season of The Mandalorian, though, is better because clearly it's not. I don't remember what happened besides Luke showing up. I think Ahsoka season one still stands out to me as probably being my personal favorite thing. I mean, obviously, I really like Ahsoka and I like getting to see Anakin. So I'm always going to have bias towards that. But if I'm taking a step back and I'm like from a purely, you know, storytelling perspective, perspective what they're trying to accomplish i can say that and or season two probably is since disney got their hand on star wars one of the best things to come out of it and i can admit that

SPEAKER_01:

yeah i think that it was it's pretty clear to me that of all the things they've done disney has done with star wars rogue one and now Oh, yeah. And or along with it. That story that they tell from season one of Andor to Rogue One is the best thing, in my opinion, Disney has done.

SPEAKER_02:

And we always, I feel like, thought that of the, you know, the sequels, Solo, Rogue One, that Rogue One was the best.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And this just, Rogue One, what it did was it made everything with A New Hope matter even more. And now, like, double that by a thousand.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I saw this meme and it was like, imagine that you do all this work and put all the sacrifice in and these two goofy idiots get all the glory. And it was where she's given the medals to Han and Luke, which obviously we know Luke helped Vader get back to Anakin again. Han played a role. But you really see... Like the, you know, all the behind, the people that didn't get the glory, the people that sacrifices. Like Ma and Mothma basically sacrificed her family.

SPEAKER_01:

It's also interesting to look at that scene from A New Hope and think about who could have, who from Andor could theoretically have been in there. Yeah. Watching this going, these guys are really? But anyways.

SPEAKER_02:

It just made everything, just like Rogue One made everything matter more. Like I said, this just a thousand times.

SPEAKER_01:

It's funny to think that all of this storytelling came from the first line of the opening scroll of A New Hope. After the Rebels have just won their first major victory. Like that's it. Rogue One came from that sentence. And now here we are with all of this stuff. I want to talk about my favorite episode of the season. Okay. Who are you?

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, that episode was really, really good. That's where the end of kind of the Gorman arc, very Cyril focused. It's intense. So intense. I think I don't know if I would call that one my favorite episode. I think my favorite one is the Mon Mothma speech. That was after that. That was the episode after that one. That was the episode after that. Were they in the three set

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together? Yes. That was two and

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three. That entire set that was released that week was top tier. I definitely agree with you. That one's right up there. I never thought that I would be– because I hated Cyril so much in season one. In season one, yeah, you hated him. Like, Dedra, like, amused me. But, like, he was just like, oh, my God, this guy. But then I find myself, like, desperately wanting him to be better. And this episode kind of, like, his eyes were opened. He finds out that Dedra was lying to him because they are together. Is it Deidre? I feel like they call her Deidre on the show. They call her Deidre, I think. I feel like...

SPEAKER_01:

We're calling her Deidre.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Whatever. Deal with it. He realizes that she's been lying to him, and then he's... you finally see it click in him a little bit like what exactly the Empire is doing when he realizes what is happening. Not only has he been used, but all this is going down. So we have that whole big moment in the square where basically the Empire showed up to incite an insurrection, more or less.

SPEAKER_01:

So they can mow him down and have a justification for ripping the planet apart.

SPEAKER_02:

So he's walking around and it's just like he's seeing what they're doing, what's going on, and he's just almost like despondent like what have I done what's going on and you think just when you think like that he maybe he's gonna do the right thing who does he finally come face to face with

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he sees Cassian

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he sees Cassian and he just snaps they start fighting and Cassian basically like who the heck are you and I do believe that where Cyril pointed the gun at him Before Cassian even spoke to him, there was a moment of hesitation. Do you think that if– and then, of course, here's the spoiler where Cassian's like, who are you? Somebody comes in, one of the Gorman guys shoots Cyril. Cyril's dead. Do you think that he would have– pulled that trigger or do you think he was thinking in that moment like do I really want to do this because I think all the rage of everything that he had been through and then seeing Cassian who he kind of blames for his lot in life was all coming out in that fight but I feel like he I feel like he He hesitated.

SPEAKER_01:

He had the opportunity. He had him right there. Cassian was on the ground. He could have shot him right there and in that moment right before he got shot. And like you said, even before Cassian delivered that devastating line, he didn't shoot. And you have to wonder... was he taking that moment to realize after the rage of everything had fallen off of him, is this who I am? Is this really what I want to be? Because up until that point, he had been a law enforcement officer and then at the Bureau and standards, but we'd never really seen him be overtly violent and killer before. like

SPEAKER_02:

Cassian

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has been. He

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did choke Dedra out when

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he found out she was lying to him. There was a little bit of domestic issues there.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I mean, that was a little red flaggy.

SPEAKER_01:

But yeah, I just thought that was... So first of all, the way they make tension in this show For a show that we know what's going to happen to the main characters.

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For a show that was once boring.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. But we know all that entire time. We know Cassian's not going to die. He can't. But we didn't

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know anything about Cyril.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. We didn't know anything about Cyril. And so the way they brought his character around and had his arc. And it's devastating to me because he's happy on Gormin. I really feel like he found something for himself on Gorman. He felt important. He liked it. He didn't necessarily enjoy the hubbub of Coruscant. He kind of liked being away from it a little bit, being away from his mother. Because when he found out he had to go back, he was upset. He was upset. And so just to me, he feels like he's got a purpose and he feels like he's found a place only to find out that his purpose was completely a lie and that his place isn't going to exist anymore because the Empire is going to just destroy it. And then, like you said, you get to that moment where you think, oh, he's going to do it. He's going to take up arms against the Empire, and instead he reverts back to the guy he was at the beginning of season one, full of rage, and just hulks out on Cassian until that very moment. And it was just like...

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So what do you think at the end, though? Do you think Winnie held back because he had the perfect shot? I

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don't know. I don't

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know. I think he's an example of, and I don't want to get too political, but where people make a choice, they align themselves with a certain... you know, way of thinking a certain, you know, person or figure. And then they realize that

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they made the wrong choice.

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They made the wrong choice, but they're not brave enough or bold enough to admit that they did.

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Yeah.

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And they double

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down.

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It's they either double down on it or they just are frozen walking around. Yeah. that square with everything going on, like Cyril. I was Cyril. His name's hard to say. But can we say something funny about Cyril, though? Him laying down on the episode. So we have the episode. I think it was like one of the first or second of the season where his mother comes to visit him and Dedra's place on Coruscant. And I can just say, Dedra... You know, she's difficult, but she did, I think, what a lot of people wish they could do to their in-laws or their family members or whatever. She basically laid down the law with his mother, and I feel like that's the first time anyone's ever stood up for him and his mother. I think in her own twisted way, despite lying to them, what she wanted the power and glory, she did love him in a weird way, and that's an example of how she did. But he's just like...

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Peace

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out. And he's just laying on the bed in distress.

SPEAKER_01:

What's their friend? From Wicked. Glinda. Glinda on the bed from Wicked. It is objectively, I think, maybe the funniest thing that has ever been in Star Wars. Like that shot of him laying on the bed like

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that. We had to pause because we laughed so hard. Between that and Dedra practicing her smile in that same episode. Man, the two of them. They were fun to root for as two horrible people who you might want to have them make it. Remember her? I don't know what episode was it. He's already on Gorman, and they come to visit her. He visits her, and she's like, turn off the lights. She's all business.

SPEAKER_01:

He just had found out that she'd had him followed. Yeah. But he's mad at her, but... Oh, wow.

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Oh, wow. So where do we go to next?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, you know, you could talk for hours about this show. But I think, you know, we get to the final three episodes. I thought even though they were a– I don't think they were as good as the seven, eight, nine episodes. episodes, the ending of the Gorman arc leading into Mon Motha's speech. I do think they were really good episodes. And I think it's interesting to look at, in my opinion, where everybody ends up at the end of this series.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I know you don't want to talk about everything, but we have to talk about Mon Motha's speech.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. No, I'm sorry. Yes, we do have to do that. We

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have to go back. We have to go back. What's that? That's from Lost. I was like, what show am I referencing? I don't even know my own references. Mon Mothma's speech was incredible. She knew that by giving that speech, that was it for her. She's going to have to get the heck out of Dodge, probably never see her husband again. I mean, not that she cared about him, but no contact with her daughter again. That speech that she did... It might be up there with President Whitmore's

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speech. Oh, really? Wow.

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It was that powerful. And I feel like, again, I don't want to get political. It's really hard not to when you're watching a show like Andor. I'll just say this. Did her speech not resonate with how you have felt in current times? We'll just say the last decade.

SPEAKER_01:

As all good media should, it reflects the time in which it was made. And I think Andor Season 2 was very reflective of the time that we live in now.

SPEAKER_02:

But we had... So she's working with fake Bail Organa. I'm going to call him that. Because he's not the real actor. With Benjamin Bratt, who stepped in as Bail Organa. Who, you know, did the job he did. But it never felt like Bail Organa to me. So I'm just going to call him fake Bail Organa. You guys don't have to deal with it. She's working with his people. And there's a mole in his group. So not only do we have her finishing the speech, this is like our love actually moment where we have the two characters, she and Cassian finally meet because he comes to rescue her. And we find out who the mole is. But then I feel like even after she gave that speech, Mon Mothma didn't realize what it was really going to be like to truly be part of the rebellion. And that's where she had to make that choice. And it all comes down to... her driver, who she knew was spying on her. They see her driver. Her driver says something. And what did Cassian do? He just

SPEAKER_01:

shoots him.

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He just shoots him. Do you think there's some discourse online? Do you think the driver listened to her speech and was going to come around and help her? I

SPEAKER_01:

think they intentionally put two shots of the driver listening to her speech, and then going to try and get her to leave it up to what were his actual intentions. But Cassian was 100% correct. If Cassian's mission is, I've got to get her out of here, and she just got done. He had no time. He had no time, and he just said, who is that? She said, that's my driver. And he said, can we trust him? And she said, he's a plant. Bam.

SPEAKER_02:

And I think that just solidifies– the whole the difficulties of being part of the rebellion is that like what Luthan said like I'm gonna have to live with the choices I make and I'm gonna have to live with what I did that's what he said in season one yeah in one of the few good episodes of season one that's what he said and it just you see Cassian in that mindset and I think Mon Mothma still wasn't fully there yet. She hasn't fully trusted Luthan, and for good reason. But she wasn't as, while she was wanting to stop Palpatine, she wasn't exactly part of the rebellion, I feel like, until that very moment that he got her out of there. So, I just, that whole sequence, again, was some of the best TV I've watched. They really did a good job of keeping us on the edge of of our seats. And then also, before we get into the last three, her Mon Mothma's cousin, was her cousin's name Beth?

SPEAKER_01:

Bao, I think. Why am I coming up with Beth? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

Where's that from? I don't know. I don't remember what her cousin's name is. I just call her the girl from Game of Thrones, who I like as blonde better. I like her blonde hair better. But I guess you could write the argument. We all know, again, we'll get to this in a minute, what happens with your fashion and your hair when you join the rebellion full time. So I'm guessing that's why her pretty hair was gone but we did get a little bit of a relationship payoff with her and the other girl

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yeah

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they were able to meet up again we finally They admit their feelings for each other. They kiss, which that might be the first same-sex kiss between two main adjacent characters. I know it's not the main.

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I think so, yeah.

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In the Star Wars. I know there was a, I think in Rise of Skywalker. They put it in the background of Rise of Skywalker. But a very background.

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It doesn't count.

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So we had that moment. And I said, they better not do anything to this couple. Not even two seconds later. Yeah. Yeah. by the people that were part of the whole plan on Gorman. It was just caught in misunderstanding. You can see how the rebels were very disorganized throughout. I think that's what season one tried to show. And season two shows them trying to come up with more of these quote-unquote rebel alliance, so to speak, and what it took to get there. But that really annoyed me. I didn't enjoy that. What did you enjoy about? Because I was so excited, and then they just took it away from me.

SPEAKER_01:

Classic storytelling. You finally get some more detail on those characters, and then one of them gets it. So that's just what happens. So we get to the final three, and I'll go through. Basically, Luthan has been doing all this stuff for years in the background. Yes. Or as we

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caught him from season one, Bill.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and the ISB, Dedra, have been trying to track him down all this time and finally manages to do it. And I'm going to be honest.

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And Dedra, we have to call it out, she's violating her

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own orders and protocol to do this.

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She's so obsessed with getting the glory and catching this guy, she's actually, as one could say, acting like a rebel within the Empire.

SPEAKER_01:

I think there's some subcontext there, too, with the way Luthom was talking to Clea before they bugged out that she was talking about he's gotten a little sloppy and he kind of had a smile. And I wonder if part of his sloppiness, so to speak, I'm using air quotes there, was actually intentional to keep the Imperials looking his way instead of looking out into the galaxy. I think you're

SPEAKER_02:

right because at that point we had discovered the Death Star and got the information that we need you know to proceed and I think you are I think you are exactly right I don't think it was sloppy I think he realized what was going on and he knew he was going to go down and he made that sacrifice because if not like and she actually had to because they didn't fully kill him. She had to sneak in and go basically off him because she knew they would torture him to get that information out of him. So it was doing so many sacrifices, even at the expense of your own character, to go through with the rebellion and to take down the Empire. And I think it just goes back to, you know, it did what Rogue One did to show the movie how all the sacrifices, and it just amplified it, like I said, times a thousand. Yeah.

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One of our favorite droids ever, K2SO, finally. I had forgotten

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how much I loved him. I'm going to tell you, would you like to know everything that went wrong or all the things that went wrong or the protocol? I'll tell you, eight. I had forgotten how funny he was. You

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can always depend on a good Star Wars droid to add a little comedy to the... To

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add a little humor in it. Add

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a little humor to the group. Exactly.

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Intense situation.

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So Cassian flies off to Coruscant to save... He thinks he's saving Luthen. Yes. But then he gets there and he finds out Luthen's dead and he's getting Clea out of there. And

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we got the backstory how she and Luthen met. We did get to see Naboo. For like two seconds.

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Go off. Go off, queen.

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They didn't say it on screen. I don't know why. I think it was meant to be an Easter egg wink. But I was like, oh my gosh, is that Naboo? I made you pause it because Naboo is my favorite planet. And then I went on Reddit and everyone was like, is that Naboo? And I guess they have since confirmed that that was in fact Naboo. which I wonder why. Do you think it was just kind of an Easter egg hint? Because we know not only is our beautiful Padme from Naboo, but that's where Palpatine is from.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I think it's just one of those things where... It's a

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little wink.

SPEAKER_01:

Just a little wink. It wasn't a big enough scene that you needed to know where it was. It was a big

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enough scene that I was like, pause

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the TV! Sometimes they tell you where you're at because from a contextual standpoint of understanding the story, you need to know that. But in that case, you didn't need to know where they were.

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For those of us... that have been wanting to see Naboo for years.

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Yeah.

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It was... I wish they would have just told us, but now that they confirmed it, I can deal with that.

SPEAKER_01:

So Cassian extracts Clea from Coruscant. Daedra is...

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in

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some trouble and Ben Mendelsohn has a terrifying and like he was terrifying in that scene like where he's interrogating her and he puts his finger on her head like that

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you might as well be a rebel and that's when I guessed what her fate was

SPEAKER_01:

going to be and so Cassian gets Clea back to Gavin and the rebel base he delivers the information that she had about the Death Star or what they don't know what it is yet but they know there's a weapon being produced you see someone More of the rebels, you know, fighting and infighting with each other. And then they finally, you know, talk to Saul Guerrero's folks and Cassian. So we'll start with Cassian because we, you know, he got the least amount of payoff at the end here because his payoff comes in Rogue One. He gets a whole movie. We last see him getting on his ship to go do what we see him do at the beginning of Rogue One.

SPEAKER_02:

And then we get the payoff for the other characters. Before I say anything nice, I remembered something that I do have to call out that made me really mad when we watched it.

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Okay.

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Season one, you said that she had just changed from F the Empire. They made her say something nicer.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Fight the Empire.

SPEAKER_02:

Fight the Empire. You can't do that and then have such a violent act against a woman, against Bix. I mean, the guy– so we're scrolling back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the early episodes, and we've got the Imperial people showing up on the planet, like the farming-type planet, which she would later go relocate to. That's where she goes off to, right? Yes. She is very much assaulted, and I could have inferred what they were doing without them– They really showed a lot. I mean, they didn't show him actually doing anything to her, but pinning her down, punching her. Yeah. It was... It

SPEAKER_01:

was graphic.

SPEAKER_02:

For Disney. Yeah. If you're going to say that you can't say, but then you can show... That really bothered me a little bit. I think they could have... I think it was inferred enough with a couple scenes. I really felt maybe they really wanted to shock, but I'm like, if you can do that, then you could have said... F the

SPEAKER_01:

Empire. Well, I think you said it. I was

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a little triggered by the scene.

SPEAKER_01:

I'll be honest. You said it to me afterwards. And so I'll repeat your words. You said they couldn't say the F word when a woman wasn't allowed to say the F word in a very powerful and empowering speech. But we were on the very next season, we're allowed to show a woman getting assaulted. Yes. And so they censor that, but they don't censor this. We could show violence against women. Yeah. There's a disconnect there. That made me

SPEAKER_02:

mad. And like we had to see Cyril like choking Dedra.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, exactly. I didn't like that. Yeah. And so there is a disconnect there for me. And I think that, you know, if they had allowed the F the Empire to go through, I might not have as much criticism about

SPEAKER_02:

it. Yes. Thank you for explaining that better than I could. So let's jump in. All right. I already said, should we start with Bix?

SPEAKER_01:

Let's start with Bix. We already know she left.

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She left and or Cassian said basically she realizes his fate, our little moments that we got with the force was they met this lady on the rebel base that was like I feel like this is your destiny Bix realizes that that he's always going to be saving people and that for the cause she's what's holding him back

SPEAKER_01:

because he's ready to quit and leave and just go off with her

SPEAKER_02:

and she's like you know I love you but like maybe when this is all this is where I started to cry she's like when this is all said and done we can do all the things we always talked about doing and obviously that's sad and heart-wrenching because we know we can't so she what she doing she is going off back to that planet.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, she leaves. She leaves. We don't really know where she goes until the very end. And then at the end, there's been a time jump because we see her on the wheat planet where she started, where we saw her at the beginning of the season because they had some people that they knew there. And she's walking through the wheat field. We see the little droid playing with other droids being happy. And she's carrying a baby.

SPEAKER_02:

Which we are to assume that that is. Yeah. The baby looked about a year old.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Which would have made sense because she left before the last time jump. So...

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And I think you said, one of the creators said, like, oh, we're not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm pretty sure. I don't think Bix is booing anybody.

SPEAKER_01:

Of course, now I've seen a bunch of people who don't pay attention to canon saying, oh, that's Oscar Isaac's character.

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Like Poe Dameron.

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Poe Dameron. That's got to be Poe Dameron. And I'm like, no. There's an entire comic book run that is canon that talks about Poe Dameron when he

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was born. That would be so cool if it was, though. Oh, my gosh. Throw out that comic book.

SPEAKER_01:

So you would be on board with that? I

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would be. They look like they could be his parents,

SPEAKER_01:

too. Because let's put it this way. Poe Dameron's canonical birth is... is within plus or minus a year of that kid, so you could make it work. Somebody get in

SPEAKER_02:

there and tell them comic books, sorry, this isn't canon anymore. That's actually good. I actually like, normally I hate when people do that. I'm actually down for that. That would fit, casting-wise. They look like he could be his parents. I actually, I was talking to my nephew about this. We were having a conversation about Andor in Star Wars. And I said, I wish I could get a Poe Dameron spinoff. And now this one. Here, Disney. Give it to me. Wow. All right. All right.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So then I thought we got a really nice shot of Mon Mothma and her cousin. you can kind of see how things change in life because we've seen them really dressed up in their nice attire on Coruscant. And I'll let you cook on that here in a second. But then the last shot you see of them is just they're sitting there having a nice conversation on the long bench in the food, wherever, you know, with all the other rebels and their dirt and how they talk. And I just thought, like, It was a really brief moment, but it was just kind of nice to see families there talking to each other on the base. Now, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02:

Now, while nice, I think that one of the biggest sacrifices of the rebellion was Mon Mothma's wardrobe. Her fits, her hair. Yeah. Just, we need some better stylists in the Rebellion. She had, like, Padme always had, like, gorgeous fits in all the prequels. And I thought Mon Mothma had some of the best fits. And then her little rebel outfit. I'm like, whoo, your fashion's taking a hit, baby girl. And then I know they had to get her hair to look like how it did at the end. But I'm like, is no one good at cutting hair? And with the rebels.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, she couldn't bring all those outfits with her.

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So one of the biggest, you know, one of the biggest sacrifices was Mon Mothma's wardrobe.

SPEAKER_01:

And of course, close to that scene, we got a little peek at Mon Mothma's husband.

SPEAKER_02:

We did. And are you going to let me cook on this too, boy? Okay. So clear back in the wedding episode when we had... Whoever her daughter's family was marrying, we had the mother of the son. And I was like, the mother of the son is very chummy with Mon Mothma's husband, who I hate. And I'm like, I bet they have a side thing going on. Yeah. It turns out your girl was right. I can always sniff it. I sniff a dirty dog when I see one, boy. And now

SPEAKER_01:

I'm talking like Jimmy Jim's son. So now I want to add one extra piece of context here. She

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was leaning his head on him in the car when they were driving. I don't think that's how people

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know. No, no, no. I'm not going to talk about that scene at all. So since then there's been interviews and there was a scene shot between him... the husband and Mon Mothma, that did not make the final cut of the show. Ooh, really? And it was their last meeting before she went off to the Senate. Why would they cut that? And the conversation went as follows. So prepare your expectations because I don't know how you feel about canonical stuff that is... you know, scenes shot but not put in. But the whole Mon Mothma we have now is one of those.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, I feel very strongly about Revenge of the Sith, the conversations that Anakin and Padme had about politics that was cut. I consider that canon still. So

SPEAKER_01:

he told Mon Mothma, I know what you're doing with the rebels. I've known the entire time. He just doesn't care? The Empire interrogates me once a week. Why would they cut that? And I say nothing. And that's where they leave it.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, he gets a little redemption since he didn't rat her out. I'm kind of disappointed they cut that. I'm very disappointed to find out they would cut that because I've hated on him since day one. And that would have made me not hate him so much. Have I not? I'm always like, oh, I hate her husband. That would have... So, you know, I guess hook up with your... family member. I really wish we'd ever get to see what her daughter's doing. Is her daughter just living a trad wife life? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I don't think she's living on Coruscant. I think she's back on Chandrila, which is the planet they're from. So she's probably a little insulated. That's probably the best place for her.

SPEAKER_02:

I will say that's one of the wilder things. Ever since I said that Colonel Ty on Battlestar Galactica was a Cylon, pulled that out of my brain, I absolutely said, I think he's hooking up with that woman. And then it turned out I'm right. Like, come on, people. I should start buying lottery tickets or something. Do you remember that when I said that Colonel Ty was a Cylon?

SPEAKER_01:

I do. I recall it very well.

SPEAKER_02:

Spoiler alert if you've never seen Battlestar Galactica.

SPEAKER_01:

A 20-year-old show.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, so we got those. Now... The scene with the rebels arguing about if they were going to accept the whole plans as truth, I can see right away why in the sequels they had so much trouble getting things together with the New Republic or whatever from that alone. Do you think... Did you like Benjamin Bratt's portrayal as Bail Organa? I'm just never going to get... I think he tried, but it did... That's why I say fake Bail Organa. It did not... He felt, like, meaner to me

SPEAKER_01:

than what I... He did. He felt a little bit more stern than I'm used to hearing. Maybe it's because

SPEAKER_02:

his fashion took a hit, too.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. He felt more stern than I recall Bail Organa feeling. It didn't feel right. And it was a... I guess the thing to me... They had

SPEAKER_02:

to cast him, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. He was important to the story. They had to. That character. The thing I think to me that is so jarring is it's not like... It's not like Revenge of the Sith was the last time we saw him. The Obi-Wan Kenobi show like two years ago used Jimmy Smith as Bail Organa. So I think that's the shock. I think if the Obi-Wan show hadn't used him or hadn't had him at all, it might not have felt so jarring.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I agree with that. It was just weird, but nothing. But I absolutely agree that... In order to proceed forward with the story, he had to be in the show. So I'm just going to chalk it up to crappy food, crappy styling, crappy clothes, moody. I mean, Leia's moody.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, sure. Maybe she's moody from both her daddies. I don't know. Our boy Will. Hooking up on every planet he goes to.

SPEAKER_02:

We've only saw him hook up twice.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I'm just extrapolating. The bomb boy, right? The bomb boy. I'm just extrapolating that. So he's able to escape Gorman with his girl.

SPEAKER_02:

And I thought they were going to make him go a little cuckoo. Like with, what's Forrest Whitaker's character's

SPEAKER_01:

name? Saul Guerrero.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, because at one point he was like stuffing gas with them. And I thought they could go either way with Will. So I'm glad to see that Will has his girlfriend, that things are all right.

SPEAKER_01:

He gets away from Saw Gerrera and is with the rebels. And that brings us to our last...

SPEAKER_02:

What about Clea?

SPEAKER_01:

Clea? Is it

SPEAKER_02:

Clea? Is that her name?

SPEAKER_01:

Clea, yeah. So the only real thing we see from her, if you remember Bill Luthan's speech from the first series, and it took me reading some stuff to realize this. One of the things he says, you know, I burned my life for a sunset that I will never see. And the last shot we get of Clea is her watching the sunrise on Yavin 4 base. And so he burned his life so she could have a life.

SPEAKER_02:

I would like to think that she is alive somewhere and was still around. We just didn't get to see

SPEAKER_01:

her. Part of the rebellion, helping out, doing her thing. I

SPEAKER_02:

feel like the costuming on this show does need to be applauded because she had the whole storefront, always the looks, always the hair uptight. You could see her, her hair She starts wearing her hair down. It gets messier. You could literally see, even like Luthan's wig would get a little unraveled. You could just see things really start to unravel and

SPEAKER_01:

unfold. The set design. Every time we went back to Coruscant after a time jump,

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Yeah.

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The set just, Coruscant was just a little bit more dingy, a little bit more dirty. Yes, it was

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starting to look more Gotham-y.

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Yeah, and they did just such a great job. Way

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better than what they've done with like Mandalorian sets.

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Yes, yes. Well, that volume thing they use is just bleh.

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All right, so let's get to Dedra.

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Yep. You called this one too, by the

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way. I did. I absolutely did. I said, as soon as Ben Mendelsohn's character told her, you're acting like a rebel. And they were already, like, I wouldn't say they were holding her captive, but they basically had her, like, she was being punished. She was being held in a

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room. She was being interrogated. Interrogated. Because they weren't sure whether, everything that went down with the information leak and Lonnie, who we haven't talked about, the other ISB, but the actual ISB spy who had been logged into her account, they were suspicious as to whether or not she actually was a spy. or not

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yeah and I said well one in the they did a good job in season one I will give that credit of her not being respected as a woman and I don't think a lot of people took her seriously and and I don't know what she was just always wanting to prove something for the glory at the sacrifice of her own relationship because I do think in her own messed up way she did love Cyril but not at the expense of her career of getting the glory so to speak and I turned to you and I said oh my gosh as soon as you said that line about the rebel I said she's going to end up in a prison probably the same one that Cassian was at working on the Death Star with her bare feet and that's going to be her fate and what do we see here we see that shot of her making that grumpy face wearing that white and orange prison outfit and I was like yes

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I got it and we found out earlier in the season that she was raised she was an orphan and was raised by the empire to do this so in a way she's always ever been a prisoner of the empire

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yeah And this is going to an Avengers quote, like, what did it cost? Everything. That's your fate. You got basically treated like if you were a rebel and had been caught and thrown in a prison. Cost her everything. And I could see her holding it down in prison, though, being one of the leaders.

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Well, where she left off, she only has to make it like five years, and then the new Republic is going to come in and have to do something.

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Yeah. That actress was fantastic.

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She was great. Yeah, she was great.

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She was one of my things that I really liked about C. For sure, yeah. I thought her confrontation

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with Luthen at the end... It was really one of the best scenes, individual scenes of the series. You know, you've talked a lot. So I'll take over and just say season two of Andor is up there in one of my best single seasons ever

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of

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any show. Andor as a whole, I think. and throw Rogue One in there. For sure the best thing that Disney has done with Star Wars. I think up there with some of the best Star Wars, period, regardless of who made it. I really thought it was just...

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Biggest show come back in

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history! So if you haven't watched Andor yet and you've listened to us talk about it for 48 minutes, you should stop listening now and go watch it.

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We're just going at the pace this season one show went. It

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was really, really, really good.

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I'm going to give the credit. They rebounded beautifully. And I'm really glad that I stuck it out. To get the glory.

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I'm not entirely. It made

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me want to watch Rogue One immediately.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Disney did a great job of having Rogue One queue up on Disney Plus as soon as.

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I'm like, I got to go to bed, boy.

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I got to go to sleep. I'm concerned about this Mandalorian and Grogu movie now. Yeah. Because I've just got done watching some. I just got done with some filet mignon here. And I'm not entirely sure Mandalorian and Grogu is going to have the juice

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for me. Won't Ahsoka season two be the next thing we see?

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I don't know. Because they're filming them all right now at the same time. I don't know how they're going to release order. I'm excited for Ahsoka season two. Yes.

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I am excited for that. I hope it doesn't let me down. Anyway, may the force be with you.

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Always. But you did binge another show in the meantime.

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Speaking of phenomenal television.

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Now, only half the season, right? Yes. Okay, so the first half of season two of everybody's favorite reality show.

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Come ye saints and come ye sinners.

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The Secret Lives of Mormon

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Wives. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Everyone, get out your favorite dirty soda. The dirty sodas are back. The Utah girls are back. And season two delivered and then some. So... If you aren't familiar with The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and MomTalk, will MomTalk survive? No one knows. Basically, season one aired in September this past year. And it followed a group of women that have become kind of TikTok famous doing something like MomTalk. The creator of MomTalk was also involved in the swinging scandal. They were soft swingers, so they didn't like fully go all the way. She was the only one on season one that was one of these swingers. But the other girls she did MomTalk with were part of it. It blew up because people like me watched it and was like, oh my gosh, this show is amazing. I need more immediately. I'm so fascinated. That's how I learned what a dirty soda was. It was just, if you're into the reality TV drama theatrics.

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I've heard nothing but detrimental things so far.

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Amazing. Okay, my therapist told me today, I had a therapy session, and she was like, I said, why did you decompress with Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? My therapist said, oh, I watched that too on Sunday. Therapist approved, Daniel. Boom.

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I'm not watching it. I didn't watch it. The

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American Medical Association. No. You are like one of the worst people that

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comes in. Views expressed in this podcast are purely the opinions of the two podcasters and should not be taken as legal advice or any other. Every

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time Daniel would come into the room while I was watching an episode, he'd be like, now which one are the swingers? And he would start asking me all kinds of questions about it to the point. And you did watch it while we were eating, while we were warming up our Chili's Southwest Day Girls. And he kept asking me so many questions. I'm like, honey, I love when you participate, but

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shh. I was just trying to participate with your show.

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You're like the type of person that would be like, I don't want to watch this. and then you do watch it and you ask me 50 questions. Anyway, season

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two... It's a secret plan to get you to say, hey, do you want to go eat the rest of your food at your computer?

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Season two brought in one of the other girls that were involved in the Sweeney scandal. So do I think that this gun lady decided to, you know, be like, okay, if my name might as well get the bag, secure that money, get that paycheck since she saw us. Cause she, I guess had been offered season one and said, no, she said she wanted to be back in a mom talk for the sisterhood, the friendship. But I think, I mean, get your paycheck. I'm not gonna, I'm not, you know, if your name's already out there and people already know,

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you've already debased yourself. You've already debased yourself in every other way. So yeah, get paid.

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And the thing is her character actually was like one of the more chill ones this season I really like the addition of Miranda so she's probably one of my favorites but if you watch this show Demi was a fan favorite in season one. But when you are a fan favorite, you don't reference yourself as the fan favorite in season two when you're arguing with your friends. Talk about full-blown villain arc. So she was my favorite from season one, and now she is absolutely my least favorite. So I don't watch the Vanderplump shows, but I'm going to have to because there was a crossover event with the Vanderplump Villa. Well, we find out at the very end of this season that one of the wives... the Mormon wives supposedly hooked up with someone from the Vanderpump Villa. And that was the cliffhanger that they just left us on. It's like

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Avengers Assemble over here. Justice League Unite.

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I do think some of the producers, you can tell now that they know they got something going on, they're kind of doing, they're setting up scenarios for them. They had a saints and sinners party, which I thought was funny. Because in season one, some of the girls that aren't as strictly Mormon, I guess, as the others, they call themselves the sinners. The other girl All of them do ketamine

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theory.

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We're not allowed to drink caffeine. Whitney and I did ketamine. If you know, you know, anyway, Whitney was the villain from season one, but then she left the mom talk group chat group chat and didn't go to Taylor's baby shower in season. Oh my God, which made everyone mad. Whitney just had a baby. Um, she had her baby in the beginning of season two. So she's trying to get back into mom talk. And I think that's probably producer driven as well, but Whitney was getting a straight up redemption arc. I was loving Whitney. And then at one point they were like, do you want to vote Whitney back into mom talk? And Taylor was the only one that raised her hand for yes. so that was like mid season episode so we get through towards the end and they're all Demi's trying to get everybody to turn on Taylor and freaking Whitney once again who I was rooting for I was rooting for you Whitney like turns her back on Taylor now Taylor she is the OG the mom talk starter the swinging scandal person she's honestly I know that you're gonna look at me and be like what the only one I would trust she is said she does she is honest to a fault she'll be like yes we did this we did this she's like we all shower together we all did these things together she's just gonna always say it even if it makes her look bad she's always gonna tell the truth I think she's the only one that is not a liar And she's like, even if it makes herself look horrible. So I'm team Taylor all the way. And I'm just so mad that Whitney's redemption arc got kind of spoiled from this. And I'm really shocked at the turn of the events with the villains. But one of the things the producers did was super cruel. They played pregnancy roulette, which apparently is a TikTok trend where you get in a group, everyone pees on a stick and maybe someone will be pregnant in the group. But they did that knowing that one of that two of the girls were pregnant and didn't want to announce it. And that one of the girls had fertility issues and I thought that would not Netflix Hulu I thought that was really cruel that they that production had them play that game so you're gonna get some minuses for me on that because I didn't need that we already have enough drama without it I didn't need that do you have something to say before I say a couple more things about this wonderful intelligent piece of television

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Cassie that marker in your mouth I peed on it

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Before Christmases. Mistletoe. Mistletoe.

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I'm crawling mistletoe about you talking about this show right now.

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Okay, well, I have to talk about Zach, Jen's husband, who they are now saying that they are not related to Ben Affleck. Jen Affleck, Zach Affleck. They said in season one they were related to Ben Affleck. It came out that they weren't. And now Zach was basically like gaslighting Jen saying like, oh, my family was always just joking about this. And she's like, what? No, you told me it was true. So they tried to make Jen a little villainy at the beginning. But I think while she did lie about stuff, I think it was to people, please. But Zach, who looks like the little evil villain from The Incredibles. First, he looked like Cody from Sister Wives with the long hair. Now, you know, like the little evil villain in The Incredibles that's like that's trying to be like an evil little superhero. That's who he looks like now. Did he come off better in season two? Of course. But I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it, y'all. If you watch this show, I think that Zach is now very well aware of the cameras and was trying to make himself look good. So he's still nothing to me. In fact, almost all these men are just gag, puke, don't like any of them. Yeah, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. What did you think for the few episodes that you saw? Because you certainly had a lot to say when I was trying to watch it the other night. You kept asking me questions.

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It's like a blank slate, me thinking back to it right now. What's her face? The girl whose mom looks exactly like her because of plastic surgery was telling her baby daddy that they couldn't hang out anymore and that...

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Oh, her family made me so mad

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this season. He was supposed to... I don't know. It was really awkward.

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That was at the barbecue, though, event, which I don't think you watched that episode. Taylor's family basically blamed... Taylor's problems with Dakota because Taylor slept with him and her dad was like, what does that say about you? Oh yeah,

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you told me about that. That was horrible. These all seem like terrible people that I wouldn't want to hang out with. So I don't know why I want to watch a TV show about them. I would

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get my extensions done by Jay-Z Styles. That's one of the girls on the show. I like their hair. All nice and long and pretty. And I want a dirty soda.

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We appreciate you coming and listening to us this week. We had a great time. Or at least I did. Listened to Hope rant about Star Wars.

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I didn't rant.

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We have good Star Trek news, though.

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You couldn't let this episode end without a Star

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Trek. Strange New Worlds Season 3 will be premiering July 17th. Finally, a date. Why did they make us wait so long to know a date? None of us will ever know.

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Well, we do have a couple more shows we want to talk about, but because for the sake of time, I don't want to be accused of being like and or season one and just rambling on. We will be resuming probably discussions. We're coming towards the end of hacks. So we're going to talk about that in an upcoming episode. We're going to talk about the finale of ghosts. We did finish that as well. And we have started the studio. Yep.

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Apple TV. So we will

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be talking about all of those. Hopefully next week. Maybe we'll talk about another chain restaurant. I don't know. I don't know.

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Where should we go? Tell us. I don't know. Fan mellows. Where should we go next to add to our list? We've got three on the list right now. We need to add a fourth. All right. Where will it be?

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Signing off.

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