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We Watch TV Episode 102 – We are cooked

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 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel chat Hope’s Birthday celebration from the highlights to the shenanigans that also ensued. The hosts also react to the last two episodes of The Righteous Gemstones. Now that Daniel is all caught up on Hacks, the duo discuss their thoughts on the current season as well as what they hope to see with the show going forward. Hope and Daniel discuss the latest from Ghosts as well as the Abbott Elementary season 4 finale. The episode closes with another Star Wars rant/ramble in honor of the 20th Anniversary of Revenge of the Sith!

(00:00:00) Intro and Disney Trip
(00:23:00) The Righteous Gemstones (season 4, episode 6-7)
(00:32:36) Hacks (season 4, episodes 1-3)
(00:42:09) Abbott Elementary (season 4)
(00:44:47) Ghosts (season 4)
(00:46:38) Upcoming stuff
(00:49:22) Star Wars

Music by yourtunes from Pixabay

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SPEAKER_00:

Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel. She is Hope. This is episode 102. Yes, we're late, but better late than never.

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It's a miracle it's happening at all.

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A miracle.

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Just think of it as the glacial pace to get this podcast out. Let's think of it as the glacial pace that poor old man took getting on the plane on our flight home.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh my

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gosh. Should we talk about that? I

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guess. I don't know that I want to relive it, but okay.

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We'll talk about my birthday vacation in all its glory in just a few minutes. Because, you know, I am a year older now. I'm not going to say how old. You can do the math, whatever. Anyway, we were exiting our vacation, as one does. We step out of the Disney bubble. We're at the airport. Flight was on time, which was good. It seemed like the coffee makers were in order this time. Everything was a go.

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It was like half empty. The flight was like half empty.

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Which was really nice. The little person that... scans your boarding passes as you get on the plane he was doing you know the lord's work because there was some girl that was like trying to like violate the bag policy and I was like oh great we're gonna have to stand here while she like combines her bags and he was like well you can you're gonna have to combine that next so which I mean

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yeah I mean

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I wanted to like give him a hug if I wasn't hug adverse

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they only tell you like 50 times you can only bring on two bags I

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heard her talking about it before we were getting on there because she was right in front of me she was like friends I think with the lady that was like a little um boarding group behind us but she was even saying She's saying, like, I'm probably not going to be able to bring all this on. She's like, so, and she was trying to already combine bags, but I think she was, I think she decided she was going to push it and see what she could get by. I'm like, have you learned nothing? She got nothing. I assume he's sweet. He could be an awful person. I don't know. Slow old man. And he is just going, y'all, at a gingerly pace. And we're not making fun of the elderly, but very slow to get on the plane. That is not fool. You

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were right

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behind him. do you need help? And so like, so I like have my hands in the air, which I think the flight attendant or somebody else stepped in right at that moment. Well, we didn't really notice at the time. Well, I think we noticed, but we didn't really think much

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of it. I noticed exactly what row he slid

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into. So, He sat in the exit row because he probably wanted to enjoy that, you know, spacious leg room. So we just kind of like, I noticed it a little bit, I think, once we sat down. I was like, oh, exit row. So we're doing our thing. We're trying to get ready, get our headphones in, you know, halfway. I mean, we'll just say we were listening. I

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don't listen to them tell me the safety things at all because it's all just a bunch of BS. But

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we both listened to it this time for some reason. And they're like, if you can now, for those of you in the exit row can you perform the functions we

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are cooked

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Daniel and I both looked at each other with our buffer seat in between us because obviously why would we sit next to each other on a flight that's not full give me the buffer seat thank you we just looked at each other and that's exactly what we said we were like we're cooked because I see folks

SPEAKER_00:

if that guy's in charge of getting the exit door open no one's getting off that plane it's not happening

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the door's not getting open no one's getting off that plane and the thing is we're not making fun because one time i was asked by a southwest flight attendant mind you i don't know i must have looked like very young and spry compared to everybody else in the flight it's probably one of those winter flights where i was full of like elderly or like people with grandkids or children and they're like would you mind moving to the exit row um and i said oh you wouldn't want me in charge of an emergency like i mean there's just no we were we'd all be cooked if i was in charge so just know like know that When

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I fly by myself, I sit on them.

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Because you like the leg room.

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I like the leg room and nothing's going to happen.

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But hopefully...

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And if something happens, me sitting in there is not going to matter.

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I think you'd be able to get the door open a little

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quicker. Listen, listen. Either it's something that happens on the tarmac and it's not really that big of an emergency and I can just do my thing with the door open. Oh my gosh, knock

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on wood, stop talking,

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stop talking. Or the plane has crashed and it doesn't matter.

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Stop talking, stop talking. I always wear tennis shoes when I fly in case I'm in a loss-type situation. I'm going to have to run around in the woods. I don't want to have, like, a flip-flop on.

SPEAKER_00:

Listen, no. Okay. Okay. Even beyond your reasoning here. I make sure I wear a supportive crop. No, no, no. Even beyond your reasoning here, anybody who wears flip-flops on an airplane is a psychopath. That is psychopath behavior. Wearing flip-flops on an airplane. I mean, I have only in the last couple years decided that it's okay to wear shorts on an airplane because I don't want my body. I want to limit the amount of my body touching things on the airplane.

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You could be like that

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lady. I'm not a germaphobe.

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That we watch because I am a germaphobe. But you could be, not to this level, but you could be like that lady that I got because we were behind the slow old man. Did you notice that? And the husband looked like he had been through it, y'all. So it was like the husband, the kid, and the wife. Did you notice in the time we stood there, she had like Lysol wipes and she was wiping down all the seats. I did not see that. And then she was passing it to the other kid that was across the aisle. The husband and I made eye contact because at one point they dropped one of the wipes and I was about ready to bend down and pick it up. He

SPEAKER_00:

gave you a gem look, didn't he?

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I witnessed all of this because I was just standing there waiting for that man to like move. So I mean, yeah, we would have been. But just the fact that you and I both looked at each other at the same time and just kept Like, oh, we're screwed in the event of an emergency because we got this guy sitting on the exit row. Because I think we heard her because the exit row was, like, right in front of us, right? It was only a couple rows up there. And they were like, can you perform these duties? And that's where you and I looked at each other and was like, I don't think he can.

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He ain't going to be able to do it.

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I mean, I'm five feet tall, and I'm sitting there in a tiny little gal, and I'm about to, like, catch his carry-on bag in the air. And I feel like you're watching that in horror, like, Ope, you can't

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help him. It's like slow motion, because I'm far enough behind you.

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The flight attendant stepped in front

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of you. Yeah, yeah, the flight attendant was in between us. There was nothing I could do to help. Like, there was just nothing I could do. And you're like, Ope, don't volunteer! Except watch you potentially get your head smashed by this guy's random bag.

SPEAKER_02:

What? Where were we? Was it on the flight on the way down where we witnessed that other old couple? Like the man just left his wife.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh,

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yeah. So we're getting off. Probably our parents' age, I'd say.

SPEAKER_00:

No, no. I think they're younger. I think they're younger than that. Everyone's looking

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old to

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me now. Yeah. Older, young. There's no between. He grabbed the bag and just took off.

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Just power walked out of there. It's not as easy to roll your bag out of the tunnel thing. You have to lift it up. And she's struggling with it. And then we see him turn around and she's like, hello. There's our future, Daniel. Take it in in all its glory. A little casual airline feuding.

SPEAKER_00:

We keep our feuds at a reasonable and quiet volume if they are in public

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party face

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we try not to make a scene if we can help it When we're arguing in public.

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Or if we start to make a scene, Daniel's like, let's go get some coffee. Let's go get some Starbucks. Let's eat something. Let's get you some food.

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Let's get you some food.

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When we arrived, I wanted my birthday button. And we tried to do that first thing. But the Emporium at Magic Kingdom, as usual, was a mess. And I was like, I cannot do this right now. Well, basically what happened was somebody's random child, I don't know where their parents were, almost tripped me. And I almost fell over like to kick off the trip like that would have sucked to have to be like in a scooter describing

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that event is like every five minutes for me at Disney

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I know people are like there's always kids at Disney no there was a lot of kids at Disney this trip and I know you guys are thinking like that's where kids go when I say

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they don't go there by themselves people have to bring them there

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influx of like it was like Maybe I should say like uncontrolled kids. Like just random. I've never had a trip where so many kids have darted out in front of me. Like normally I blame like the, not the scooters, like the strollers for people that push the strollers. And this time it was kids pushing kids in strollers. I don't know where the parents were on their cell phones. I don't know what was going on. But I've never had so many kids that like have almost tripped me by just like sprinting away. And I'm like, where are your parents?

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Have child leashes fallen out of favor? Because I didn't see nearly as many of them as I would have thought.

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So it's like you've got the kids that are about to trip you. You've got the old man on the plane. Other than that, it was a really fun trip. I think I'm almost ruined for life for fireworks experience.

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Go ahead. Tell them.

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Tell them

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about the room. By the way, I just want to remind everybody that this birthday present was provided by me. I make money, too, a little bit. I should get the... You're so nice for giving her this gift on her birthday.

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You are nice for... On

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her birthday.

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For my... I feel like I've been planning this particular milestone birthday since I was like 17 and I was at Disney and I'm like, someday I'm going to stay in a room and I'm going to watch the fireworks from my room because it's like your 20s. Finding that firework spot is the Hunger Games. Like that old man on the plane trying to put his stuff in the compartment. He would not last two seconds. Those little kids tripping people, they're scrappy. They're going to last a while. So it's like, you know, everything in between. And then our... I'm going to reveal my age. The next decade, after my 20s, we started doing dessert parties, which were really nice. And we did the one that you... There's different levels. We like to sit. And I'm very short. I'm five feet tall. I love a good sit. So, like... If I camp out for a spot and then you put your head on your shoulders, that's about my height. Your child is like nearly my height anyway. And then I can't see anything and I've done all that work. It's just not worth it for me. So we started doing dessert parties. We're like, you know what? It is expensive, but it's worth it because we get to sit. We get to look at the fireworks. We get to eat some desserts and appetizers. You know, it's all good. And that was nice, but you still have to fight– like the crowds getting out and you still don't have like your own bathroom. Well,

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before we go forward, do you remember that time where we hadn't watched the fireworks, nor had we done a dessert party, but we still got caught in the crowd and you got lost.

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We both got

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lost. Like I was looking for, I was looking for my child.

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I felt like I was looking for my child. That was like last year. We had gone to the Magic Kingdom in the evening, and what had happened was they were like, now we're just skipping around, so we're just going to tell this story, my birthday story, because now I did not get lost. You did not get lost. We got separated.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, okay, okay. You weren't lost. You knew exactly where you were.

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I knew how to find you. They wouldn't let me go that way.

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No, that's true.

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And basically, I think because I'm so small, I got wrapped up in one crowd, and you got the other, and I'm like, where the heck are you? And then you tried– I think they eventually let me cross where you're not supposed to because I was like, I can't find the members of my party. I think I said that instead of my husband, so maybe I'd appear younger. So they moved the tape and let me find you. But we were trying to go back to do rides in the evening or something. And I don't know. They

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closed off the area behind the castle. Yeah. To like any cross traffic whatsoever. So you had to go down to the main area and try and cross that way.

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And we weren't even trying to leave the park. We were just trying to like go ride like pirates or something.

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Yeah. We were just trying to get to the other side. And somehow

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we got separated. And like I and you were like, I'm over here. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm like, I'm going to walk all the way around to find you. Because like we finally once I calmed down because I was freaking out. I was like, where are you? And you're like, where are you? I'm just right around the corner. And I'm like, what? corner because we at that point we realized we were like totally on opposite ends

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they also had that like um and they

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weren't letting you cross at

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all they weren't letting me go anywhere and but they also had that special exit behind the entry that they have open sometimes but i knew you didn't go that way

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no

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and i was like they were like you just need to go this way and i'm like no i absolutely do not need to go that way

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they ended up letting me cross real quick because i like i think the guy like took absolute pity on me anyway

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Anyway, in our now age, of which we will not disclose,

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we've

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moved up to a different viewing angle for the fireworks.

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Because I just don't think at this age that I'm meant to live an uncomfortable life. I feel like I quoted that all week while we were there. We had at Disney's Contemporary Resort Main Tower a theme park view room. So we got to watch the fireworks and we watched them every night of that trip. We got to watch Happily Ever After. We had such a great view that we could even see some of the projections on the castle that they do. Obviously, you're always going to see the projections better when you're like right on Main Street. But like the part with if you've ever seen Happily Ever After, there's a scene with At Last I See the Light and the lanterns for Rapunzel. We got to see that part. We could see in a tiny, tiny distance where Tinkerbell flies at the very end. We could even see that. It was really cool um and they and basically they have this channel that you can do i know like when we've been at wilderness lodge we watch on the river they pump the music in and i was like i wonder if we're gonna be able to hear it from our room well no you just like sync your tv up yeah and it starts exactly on time because by like night three when we were like it was like that's just the life we're living i'm like in the bath i'm like in the bathroom and i'm like oh crap because i hear that and daniel's like it's starting it was almost like the time we stayed at animal kingdom lodge by the end we're like oh there's a

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I'm laying in bed like, oh, there's a zebra. It was

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really, really, really cool. So awesome. Such... a dream come true and the best part was we could watch in our comfy clothes I think every night but one because the only night the night we had a later dinner we wouldn't have pajamas on but the other nights we were already in our pajamas so we didn't have to fight for a bathroom just turn around go use the bathroom and the crowd fighting the crowd was just fighting Daniel to get out of the way of the door first to get back in the room it was really nice and awesome and amazing and incredible and it was just so much fun I loved it so much so it We'll

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do it again in 10 more years.

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It's the bougie life forever. It was really... really really cool though like

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oh no i admit it was a good view and according to your internet people we didn't even have the best room for it i thought it was fine like everybody like we were on the far side and so the conference the conference center was out over of us i don't know what people's problem is like i'm only on the balcony to watch the fireworks

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i think like a lot of people like if you really really want more of a direct view which i still feel like when i directly if i stood on the balcony directly I could see the castle out of the corner of my eye but I mainly faced like Grand Floridian

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turn yourself but all I had to do was 45 degrees very so slightly turn

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my body and then I got to see that so I think some of the people like to be down closures or they have that more straight on shot I thought it was fine I do agree with some of the stuff I've read on because we did stay at contemporary for our anniversary where we had a water view for in the day and views in general the water view is more picturesque because in the daytime you get you do see like the on the theme park view side, but nighttime can't be beat. I liked seeing the bus bays, though, and the monorail and everything. I found all that really fun. What about you?

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Yes. I liked watching the buses go around, the boats go by, those mystery lights that would come into the water at night that I couldn't figure out what they were doing. Were they boats? Were they drones? I have no idea because they weren't there during the day.

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And from where we were on that end, too, because of our positioning, we could still see the Electrical Water Pageant. If you're on the Waterview side, the Bay Lake side of Contemporary, you can get, instead of the, you don't get the fireworks, but you get the Electrical Water Pageant, which is like an old school, I think it was like around when Disney first opened. It's definitely old school. wilderness lodge so that side you get like a very direct view but because from where we were on that end we could see it when it was going by like grand floridian and polly right

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yes

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and we could we could hear the music so we could still see that we even saw it out in the distance so i thought our room was fine it was more than fine it was wonderful amazing excellent birthday trip thank you daniel

SPEAKER_00:

you're very welcome like i said 10 more years And you can do it again.

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We got free Uncrustables.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, I don't understand. And I'm going to plant my flag and I'm going to have this argument right here, right now. What is the deal with Uncrustables? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, one, they are really good, but I think, and they're really good cold. A lot of people wait for them to thaw. Okay, so, but it's... when I say free, obviously you paid to get into the park. It's like one of those free snacks at Epcot that you can get only during the flower and garden festival. And I knew that people went crazy for it, but then we got to witness it. We were in line to get our picture taken with the Mickey mini, uh, topiary and the ball in the background. And I was like, I think this is the area where they're going to bring the incrustables out around 11. You would have thought that there was a rare character that was coming out.

SPEAKER_00:

Walt Disney himself, Resurrected was showing up.

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It was insane. Like, you know how this, if you guys have ever been to Disney World, they'll have the cast members that'll hold like a sign, like line starts here for a ride or something or a character. They had a sign for the Uncrustables. Now, it didn't move quickly, but I hear they sell out fast, so I was able to snag us some. You gave me a courtesy bite, but you're not a peanut butter and jelly person.

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That's correct.

SPEAKER_02:

The raspberry ones were really good. That's the first time I had them. I think it's the whole thing of it's something free. It's free.

SPEAKER_00:

But it's not, because you paid how much money to be in the park that day.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, but you pay how much money to be in the park, and then you have to buy every other snack. That's one little scrap that Disney can give you.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. I just don't get Uncrustables. I think, like, I

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don't

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get it.

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Okay. I don't get it. Okay, Ben Wyatt.

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They're not that good.

SPEAKER_02:

They're amazing. They're so good. All right. Oh, happy Easter to those who celebrate, by the way. I did get you to admit to me that the Reese's eggs are very much different than those Reese's carrots or regular Reese's over the weekend, the Easter holiday weekend.

SPEAKER_00:

You got it on recording?

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Admit it now. I said I was going to bring it up on this very podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

Different in that they're differently shaped, sure, but they're still peanut butter and

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chocolate. He's like, there is more chocolate. The ratio of the egg, the peanut butter is always going to be

SPEAKER_00:

more. I believe I mostly commented, this was the first time I'd had the carrots. I mostly commented at the interesting, familiar shape of them and how you could very easily manipulate that. Stop it. We're not

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doing that on Easter.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not Easter. Easter's over.

SPEAKER_02:

Easter... We had a fun Easter. We got some old school records from my dad.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

We have a Muppet album from the original Muppet movie. The case is basically falling apart. I was very skeptical if that record was going to work at all. And it worked. It had that little snap, crackle, pop in the beginning.

SPEAKER_00:

It's got that snap. which I like and it's got that snap crackle and pop but there were some bigger scratches on that thing that I thought were going to make it like skip around but it did not but once

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the song started playing like the Rainbow Connection like it played like it started off with snap crackle pop but then it was like perfect and I love that's the one thing I'll say about listening to new vinyls I'm always like I need it to I like the little fuzzy feeling of records but we used to listen to that all the time when we were kids let's see we also walked away with I have to bring it back Jesus Christ Superstar if you know you know Dad's like, I'm going to need that one back. Let's see. We got Simon and Garfunkel, Bridge Over Troubled Water. That's a pretty old school classic. Carpenters. For some reason, Mom and Dad had two copies of the same Elvis vinyl, so we got one of those.

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Which I said, why are you bringing Elvis into this house?

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You liked the Elvis movie.

SPEAKER_00:

Light is a strong word for that.

SPEAKER_02:

You just love to play the disgruntled character on this podcast.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not playing a character. I don't know what you're talking

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about. What was the other one that we got? Three

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Dog Night. And we have to bring that one back too, apparently.

SPEAKER_02:

See, I feel like this is where I'm like... more like dad because he barely listens. He's like, I'm going to need that back. I think I'd be the same. Whereas mom literally was like, you can have my Simon and Garfunkel bridge over troubled water. That's a really iconic album. And I'm like, I can have this one. Like, that's probably one of the like most popular

SPEAKER_00:

albums. They have a lot of really good shape too, by the

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way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Probably of the ones we got bad. God, it's probably the best shit. Dad kept

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trying to give me his Osmond records. I was like, you mean like the guy that sings the Mulan song, Donny Osmond, and that was on Dancing with the Stars? He's like, yeah. I'm like, I'm good. I don't need the Osmond brothers. But they had a lot of stuff. And then Elizabeth, my sister, took

SPEAKER_00:

Chicago. Osmond brothers. It's Donny and his sister.

SPEAKER_02:

No. The Osmond brothers had their own band, and then Donny and Marie did their own thing. I think they tried to be like the Jacksons.

SPEAKER_00:

Learn something new every day.

SPEAKER_02:

I used to think Johnny and Marie were like husband and wife. They are not. I was like, brother and sister? I just know him for his iconic, let's get down to business.

SPEAKER_00:

With that said, we did actually watch some television. We did! Believe it or not. Now, most of our marquee shows have gone, have ended, and we're kind of approaching a bit of a stretch here where I think Hope is just, she's not going to be able to escape Star Wars Andor. But we haven't watched that yet.

SPEAKER_02:

Can I just credit everybody for tuning into that White Lotus episode? I feel like... Our, it was White Lotus seasons one and two. Our sound quality was not nearly as good back then. I think we just done on our phones. Is that our second? That was our second episode.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And it was one of the ones that we've had most listened to. Well, y'all really turned out for our White Lotus Season 3 finale recap. So in just probably a couple months, the next month or so, maybe next two months, we'll have a super cutout for you on that. But thank you to everybody for showing up and listening to us yap and yammer and ramble about the White Lotus. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Speaking of HBO shows, we are in the middle of season four, the final season of The Righteous Gemstones. I believe we've got two episodes to talk about. The prelude episode that you always get every season. Interlude. Interlude, I'm sorry. Yeah, we already had the prelude. Interlude episode that we have every season, and then the most recent episode. Yes. I was a little disappointed in the interlude episode because we didn't get any young baby Billy. I

SPEAKER_02:

think it's because I think Walton Goggins, from everything I've read, literally came out of Thailand, off the White Lotus set, and had mere hours to start filming. And I think some of the scenes they're saying why the scenes that are just focused on him is because he wasn't able to film everything with the cast.

SPEAKER_00:

I think the way they've cut his scenes together, you can tell when he was on set and when he was not on set.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah. I liked it, though. I was fine without Baby Billy because I think the actors, especially the one that plays young Jesse, are phenomenal. Those kid actors. And they're the same kids that they've had since the beginning. Yes. He has Danny McBride's walk down, the mannerisms. Young Judy is great. And I feel like we got to finally see, because now that Kelvin's aging a little bit, I finally felt like I could see Adam Devine in the young Kelvin character. Tell us

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about that. Tell us your favorite part about that episode with Kelvin.

SPEAKER_02:

What is it? Eight ways to love Hayden or something? He's like, who needs more ways to love Hayden Christensen? So he was in Judy's room. Not only did I have that Hayden Christensen magazine cut out, I'm pretty sure, on my wall. I feel like if I haven't seen that magazine, I need that magazine. If you all know, love me some Hayden Christensen, Anakin Apologist. I'm very excited. Next week on the podcast, we can talk about Revenge of the Sith. The 20th anniversary. That was the best part. That's the best Star Wars movie. You will not take her from me. No. Yes. The best. It's the best. Those kids, I think they knock it out of the park.

SPEAKER_00:

The kids do a great job. They do so good. I agree with you. This was maybe the interlude that they really got to shine in. Yeah. Maybe more than any of the other ones in the past season. What did he say?

SPEAKER_02:

Jesse's like, you're soon to be bastard grandson. I'm going to name him Stallone. So you can see how Gideon got his name. They're like, you guys are getting married soon. We got more backstory on Miss Lori and Amy Lee's friendship. We got to which I you clocked him right away because he had that wig on and the like either probably not makeup it was the voice for me younger you were like that's I'm Mary Poppins y'all from Guardians and I'm like that's Michael Rooker are you serious

SPEAKER_00:

it was the voice for me absolutely as soon as I heard his voice I knew that that was who that was

SPEAKER_02:

and the fact that his profession in the show is like a gator handler at like one of those little gator like water park things that you see in like the beach areas down probably in South Carolina which I think is where the show is set is just Jessica to me I thought that was a good episode and I think you're getting we definitely know now who robbed and stole the Bible right the gold-plated Bible that was Miss Lori's ex-husband I'm not so sure That he's the one that's necessarily chasing off entirely her current boyfriend. No, I'm not either. And I don't think she's bad either. I think it's all red herons. I think it's the son. I think it's the son. I think it's Corey, a.k.a. Stifler. And you kind of saw he felt very torn between his parents, young Corey. But he definitely protected his dad and lied about where his dad was.

UNKNOWN:

Correct.

SPEAKER_02:

Because they like– basically the kids had left and Calvin was home alone because Amber, Jesse, and Judy had gone out to get like tacos or something. So that's where like the whole robbery that we saw like early in the season, little Calvin– where he was having his nightmare about it. We had the fallout, what happened afterwards. And Corey, who I think was questioned by Lori about where was your dad. And he lied. Yeah, he lied about it. I mean, he probably wants to protect his dad. And that's who my money is on as well. In the most recent episode, I think you're right, Daniel. Daniel predicted that Judy and Dr. Watson, the little monkey that's helping BJ out, he's like, Judy's going to fight that monkey. I think you are spot on. Why was BJ kissing the monkey so many times? And the monkey, you can tell. I think the monkey wants to fight Judy. We haven't really had an extreme Judy crash out yet this season.

SPEAKER_00:

No, we haven't. And it's going to happen when she fights that monkey. When she fights Dr. Watson, that's going to be it.

SPEAKER_02:

She's

SPEAKER_00:

going to try and take her man.

SPEAKER_02:

That Kelvin one, he did win the top, what is it? Top crass following man.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I do find that a little unrealistic because I feel like the... I do as well. I feel like while, you know, his... prism and everything is trying to be more open and accepting I just feel like the people that would take the time to watch what they say you had to pay to vote to they're like fees will be included so it's not like Dancing with the Stars where you vote for free I just I just think that more of the maybe I'm generalizing I don't know what do you think do you think more of the audience would be leaning towards what the Simpkins guy was saying that would watch that type of programming or maybe we're just

SPEAKER_00:

underestimating I'm just so disconnected from anything remotely close to that kind of programming I couldn't tell you but just from what I know and my interactions I can't see when we were

SPEAKER_02:

watching you were like there's no way he'd win in real

SPEAKER_00:

life but that's really nice and more importantly than just the competition this was the first time that Calvin said maybe to himself as well to everybody else is that he said I'm a gay man and I Keefe was so proud so from a character development perspective it was really good to see and it was good to see that you got that positive reaction from it from a realism I mean I'm not I'm not watching Righteous Gemstones for realism anyways so I'm gonna let it slide but I do have trouble seeing that that's what how that worked I did

SPEAKER_02:

love though how Jesse and Judy showed up for Calvin in that moment and supported him that was really nice and that was kind of mirrored with Gideon showing up for Pontius the little the crazy brother and And then I love every, they've made Gideon so like, because he's good at everything except for preaching, apparently. But to get to see Gideon be a baddie again with the skateboarding and show off to Pontius' little friends that were kind of making fun of him, that was pretty cool. I don't know where they're going with Pontius. I think Pontius is the child that Jesse deserves ultimately. You can tell that maybe Jesse wasn't as bad as Pontius can be, but Jesse was a pill. Let's call it what it is. Jesse, Judy, and Kelvin, they're all unhinged, spoiled kids, spoiled teens, spoiled adults. And I think he's the classic one that just gives it right back to you. So I don't know where they're going with Ponch. I don't know what they're going to do. They only have two episodes left. How are we going to have time to get everything done? I just don't know. Am I going to not get my Keith Kelvin wedding? Can I have a BJ and Judy spinoff? I'm not ready to say goodbye. Yeah. Can I see teen-jus in the actual show? Teen-jus. Is

SPEAKER_00:

baby Billy going to die? Because to me, that's like they have been hinting at some problems there. We straight up

SPEAKER_02:

asked for cocaine.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, all season. Can I say

SPEAKER_02:

that on the podcast?

SPEAKER_00:

Why not?

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know. He's like, he goes up to talk to like the board, which is, you know. Judy and Jesse, and he's like, I need 100 mil. I don't know what he asked

SPEAKER_00:

for. He said he needed 2 mil and an 8 ball.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and he's like, you guys are so selfish. And then, there's something I feel like is going to happen with Sola, too.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know. They just bring in these random characters.

SPEAKER_02:

We paid a nan. I don't know, but I'm looking forward to more.

SPEAKER_00:

Continuing with HBO Max or Max or HBO on Max. I don't know how they're phrasing this now.

SPEAKER_02:

It's Max.

SPEAKER_00:

It's Max. I don't know how you get, like, you don't. I

SPEAKER_02:

feel like every week they change their logo.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know how you don't take advantage of the HBO name. Max. In my opinion. Like, I'm not a marketer. Thank you, Max. But I feel like you should just drop the Max part and call it HBO. But whatever. What do I know?

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe be like, what is Ryan saying on The Office? Woof. That he tried.

SPEAKER_00:

I finished the first three seasons of Hacks.

SPEAKER_02:

And I got to rewatch it again in all its glory.

SPEAKER_00:

And then we have also watched the first three episodes of the new season four that are out. I agree with you. It's a very good show. It's an

SPEAKER_02:

excellent show. You had seen a little bit, bits and pieces, some episodes with me. And I feel like you thought it was funny. But now that you've watched it all together and you have that connection with the characters, did those episodes feel differently to you? Now that you know Debra, you know Ava, you know Marcus... Like, did that come off?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. Like, you know, always missing those character development moments. It doesn't give you the full scope of the characters. Yeah. I am going to be frustrated, speaking of the season we have now. Yes. And the knowledge of we are at least getting a fifth season.

SPEAKER_02:

Remember, guys, we are Spoiler Podcast. We didn't say that earlier, so oopsie.

SPEAKER_00:

that I'm going to be frustrated. I think we've talked about this. If season five is the same kind of format that season two and season four are looking to be, which is in conflict with those two, with, with the two main characters, Ava and, and Debra Vance, because this is season four so far has been mostly a like season two conflict on like ramped up to a thousand. So the

SPEAKER_02:

season two conflict was that Ava had sent out those emails about Debra. Then even though She took it back because she was very upset and angry about it. their fight in season one. So Debra said she was going to sue her. So there was a little bit of tension. Then Debra came around, but she'd still make the jokes like, yeah, well, I'm going to take you for everything you own. Obviously, you know, she didn't sue her at the end. This one was a little bit different because the way season three ended was Debra basically said she gets the gig to be the late night host. And she told Ava, like, you're going to be the head writer. And then, of course, Debra, as usual, got paranoid. Like, what if they take this away from me again? I don't want to have it. Gets in her head. And then screws in. Yeah. Yeah. Debra did wrong, but what Ava's doing is not right. So this is a much more elevated conflict, but I agree with what you're saying. I can't take every season of we have the tension, we have the conflict, we get over it, we have growth, and then we fight again. There needs to be some balance. Those two... are always going to, I feel like, be at odds in some way because they're so alike. Yes. They do butt heads. And that's part of the charm of those characters is that you can tell that they are very emotionally connected to each other. And the people, and I'm not saying they're not romantic. I think, well, that ship is fine in theory. I don't think it's going to happen. I, but what I mean by like so emotionally connected with their souls is that they are so much alike. They share such that bond and connection, but they can hurt each other more than anybody else. And I think you're seeing that play out. And I really hope that they're going to cool it. And I feel like they are like, now they know in catching up in season four, that basically they were told like, Hey, this is our last ditch effort. Or we might have to pull late night altogether. Cause I mean, I don't know about, I don't know any of my friends that watch. I think one, I think Kaylin does. I think she is a devoted to watching Seth. She might be the, only want to know and I don't know if she watches it every night now that she's got the children the kiddos or if she DVRs it or what but most people I know they only watch it when they see like a clip on YouTube like do you know anybody personally like under the age of like 45 that watches late night

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know anybody who watches SNL either. I'll see stuff on my TikTok, and I'll be like, oh, that's funny, this skit.

SPEAKER_00:

If you're out there, let us know. Let us

SPEAKER_02:

know. Do you watch this? Let me know your age, your demographic. They have that. They've got to put their personal crap aside, and they have to see what they can do to

SPEAKER_00:

save the show. Now that we're several episodes into season four, I can tell you the trajectory of this season, though. This season ends with that first episode.

SPEAKER_02:

I think so, too.

SPEAKER_00:

And then, so season five is going to be maybe a time jump, and we're going to see what's going on extended from here. This season is going to be just the run-up to the final episode. If I were a writer of the show, and I'm thinking about it myself, if I were going to get real artsy and stupid with it, the last episode of this season would just be awesome. the show that goes on TV. Nothing else. Like just what we, what we as, as actual viewers of late night would see. Yeah. from that perspective. I don't know that they'll do that, but that'd be really cool. I don't know if

SPEAKER_02:

they'll do that because I'm pretty sure I saw some clips of Rosie O'Donnell filming as herself, as a guest. I think I read something about that, so maybe she'll be in the last episode, I don't know, where Debra interviews Rosie. I'm pretty sure I read that. Maybe somebody, sometimes people are wrong on Reddit, but I'm pretty sure I read that. I think, though, that if the plan really is to get five seasons, I think that Debra and Ava aren't going to continue to argue as fiercely, but I'm not sure we're going to have the conflict. I don't think they're going to be as close as they were in season three. Personally, I think you're, I think they're going to have to, you know, I think that we'll still have, I think we'll still have fun. Debra Eva moments. Yeah. Like, like where they're at the, uh, the spa where she got like her facelift or whatever. I think we'll have some stuff like that, but I'm not sure. One of the things that I like so much about season three was how close they got. Like they're at the hiking episode. Right. I told you that was my favorite episode of season three. I'm not sure we're going to get that yet in this season. If they're planning for a five and then maybe we'll mend the relationship but maybe we won't

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know because I'll tell you right now I still think that what Debra said like right now they're coming the arc is they're coming back together because they've realized they have to they've had the talking to from the network head now that HR person has to be in the room with them like they've had their talking to and they're going to come together but at the beginning of this season at the end of episode one when they were at the photo shoot Debra said I'm never going to forgive you for this and we might go on for years and years and years but the moment

SPEAKER_02:

she didn't forgive

SPEAKER_00:

her sister yeah but the moment this ride she said the moment this ride is over we are done and I will never speak to you again I hope

SPEAKER_02:

that doesn't happen

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not going to say that's going to happen but I think that is going to be something that we see come out at the end of this season and I wouldn't be surprised if we get if we see some shades of that in season 5

SPEAKER_02:

because it broke my heart when Midge and Susie weren't speaking to each other for a little bit Because Midge blames Susie and Maisel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, jumping ahead to another comedy show set in another decade. Midge, like, blames Susie for Joel going to jail, right? Yes. Yeah, because he kind of fell on the sword. But then they eventually did, you know, become friends again in the end, which was nice. Because I felt like while, obviously, I did like, sorry, sorry, I like Midge and Lenny Bruce. The actors had chemistry off the charts. I don't care if it was historically or

SPEAKER_01:

inaccurately.

SPEAKER_02:

No, what I'm saying, though, is the love story of that show was Midge and Susie.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_02:

Ultimately. And I think the love story of this is, even if it's not romantic, is Ava and Debra. But that scene that you're referencing, can we just talk about how beautifully acted that was? That was a great scene. I feel like Hannah, she is the writer that plays Ava. And she's a writer, I believe, also for this show and in real life. Her acting skills, I feel like she's always been a good actor. They have improved her face acting, just her eyes and that smile when they were doing that magazine shoot. I feel like this might be, we need to get her and emmy like she it was so like i was so impressed by how both of them did that scene but especially her like it was so good now you like shooter mcgavin and deborah right Marty.

SPEAKER_00:

If I saw a realistic ship for Debra, it's with him.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just not sure that Debra's meant to be.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I don't know that that's the show, but certainly of all the male characters in her life, he's the one that sees her most for who she really is because they had that golf episode.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh yeah, from

SPEAKER_00:

season three. Where she was like trying to show off for the big network owner, the conglomerate owner, whatever that guy is, but she was like playing like she didn't know how to golf. And he was like, what are you doing? Because he knows she's better than that

SPEAKER_02:

you know she's a ball buster yeah

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so he knew that that just was not her and so i like i said i this show is not about the show

SPEAKER_02:

please watch hacks even me even us giving us you spoilers right now it's one of those shows that you don't really you need to watch you need to watch the dynamic between the two because you would like daniel had a coming back and forth and knew a little bit and now that you have the whole like you care about it more you're more invested in these characters now obviously severance is still your best thing going and i think while i love severance and thought that was one of the best season finales I've ever seen. Ultimately, where we differ is I'm always going to cling to a little bit more funny, even though severance can be funny too. That's why Hacks is definitely in my– well, I have to see how the season plays out, but it's in my conversation for Best Thing Going. While you might not agree with me, can you see why I would think that?

SPEAKER_00:

If we compiled a list of shows– that we would say these are the ones that are in the running for the best thing going, and you put hacks on the list, I have zero argument against you on why you would add that at least to a short list, for sure. All right. No

SPEAKER_02:

question. I'm looking forward to more hacks. Let's see here. Oh, I finished a show. unbeknownst to myself, I was like, well, this feels like a season finale. Because it was. I guess I'm unaware of what time of year it is. This is when shows normally start to wrap up, April, May. I think most shows wrap up in May, though. But Abbott Elementary got caught up with that. That's a show you pop in and out of. You don't dislike it, but you don't love it.

SPEAKER_01:

Correct.

SPEAKER_02:

And I thought the season finale was really good. Ava, spoiler alert, she is back as principal at Abbott.

SPEAKER_00:

Will they resolve that fast?

SPEAKER_02:

I think they're going to have... Well, the kids...

SPEAKER_00:

Because I watched the episode where she lost her job, and that's only been what two or three episodes yeah

SPEAKER_02:

she fell on the sword it was more than that like you missed some she fell on the sword for the teachers because they were all taking bribes and basically the teachers like we're gonna go to the board then admit that we did it too and maybe we can get your job back because they won't have enough room for subs and then they found out they were gonna get suspended and the kids like stood up for Ava and then I don't really if I'm be honest it was right when we got back from our trip so I think I faded in and out one of the episodes but she gets her job back they and that was that's really nice but I think our conflict for the next season is going to be, because Gregory got to be, he always wanted to be a principal, remember? Yeah. You remember that about his character? Yes, I remember that. He got to be the interim principal while she was gone, and you could tell that like reignited his passion. So I think that might be like his, maybe not conflict, but his journey. Like, is he going to try to seek employment elsewhere? Sure. He and Janine ended on a fine note. She met his dad. He was a little weirded out because his dad was like goofing around and showing Janine a like, like laughing not when I say affection I don't mean like creepy and he's like this this he saw like a side of his dad he didn't see and his dad's like you know what she or Janine reminds me a lot of your mom because his mom had passed away when he was much younger and he's like we need people like that to balance out like serious guys like us I thought that was very touching that was a very nice moment and then the eighth because the way Abbott Elementary works is they're like K through eight which I guess some schools are like that so like the eighth graders were graduating so they did they wrote a play where the teachers like like i think um i don't know who played mrs howard like they played each other okay and how did you yeah like basically almost like a roast but like in a nice way and it was there it was just really nice to see like them thank their student or their teachers and say they love them and i'm like this man this feels like a you're having the eighth grade graduate not a graduation episode but they're leaving i'm like this really feels like a season finale like they get in the season here Because they did. I

SPEAKER_00:

remember you finished watching it and you were like, this feels like a season finale. Will you check and see? And I grabbed the remote and looked. I was like, yeah, there's none more on the thing. And that's it.

SPEAKER_02:

And then we are ghosts. We are caught up on ghosts.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I feel like we did talk about ghosts a little bit in a previous podcast. We did. Our most recent episode, we found out that Trevor has a daughter.

SPEAKER_00:

Saw that coming as soon as the episode started. Yeah,

SPEAKER_02:

his old friend Pincus, the reason why he doesn't have pants as a ghost, if you watch ghosts on CBS or the worst app ever, Paramount+. Can we say that? The worst app ever?

SPEAKER_00:

Come for us. Hey, if Paramount and CBS wants to sue us for saying it's the worst app ever, that means in a court of law they will have to prove it's not.

SPEAKER_02:

oh gosh there's probably some really bad ups don't say that don't sue us please anyway his buddy comes on and I was like this actress they cast looks a lot like Trevor I thought that was really but she kept referencing the cutting edge that's his favorite movie or he kept referencing that I thought that was good ghost is just one of those shows like I watch it and I don't have like a ton to say about it but I enjoy it every time I watch it I agree with you about flower

SPEAKER_00:

I want to get it on the record once more just to make sure that everybody is clear for the two people that actually watch this show

SPEAKER_02:

that

SPEAKER_00:

that something's weird with Flower, and it might just be inconsistent writing. But if it isn't, my theory is that the ghost power of the pilgrim girl who we saw at Patience from earlier in this season is to look like another ghost, and she has the real Flower trapped somewhere.

SPEAKER_02:

Would she be so free-willing love, though, with her beliefs?

SPEAKER_00:

If she's trying to get revenge.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I don't know. Yes, I agree. I think that's like where the season where we thought Jay was going to become a ghost because he was eating all the fast food and we're like, are they going to like give him a heart attack or

SPEAKER_00:

something? I think we probably... I think we went way too dark. We probably marked... We went too severance. Yeah, we probably marked this up to inconsistent writing. Which,

SPEAKER_02:

yes, I agree. So speaking of inconsistent writing... I have an announcement. The preview was finally dropped and we have a date. And just like that, season three will drop on May 29th, 2025. Also on Max. Will I watch it? Yes. Will I complain? You bet. I am already triggered by a scene that I saw because they film in New York City and somebody caught in the street of like Aiden once again yelling at Carrie on the street. I'm like, get rid of this guy. Are

SPEAKER_00:

we having a five-year gap?

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just going to say no. Obviously not. Obviously not. I'm just going to say this. Everybody always stands Aiden. I went back and even did a Sex and the City rewatch. Sure, he was a nice guy, but he wants you to know it, that he's a nice guy. And yeah, was Carrie right in cheating on him? Absolutely not. And he never let her forget it either. But even before, he was wanting to change her before she even cheated on him. Like, he just, red flag, red flag, red flag. So you'll never catch me as being like, Aiden was such a nice guy, blah, blah, blah. It drives me crazy how Sex and the City fans act like he's some special man sent down from Jesus himself to make everybody like, no. And I feel like you were kind of disagreeing with me at first. Aiden annoys you now too, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Correct. The real question for this season is, however, will we once again be blessed with an Aiden and his tighty-whities scene?

SPEAKER_02:

Probably. I don't know. I feel like that was always sustained on the OG and the original. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

They had him in it last season.

SPEAKER_02:

John Corbett is a very

SPEAKER_00:

attractive... Why do I remember this stuff? Why is it stuck in my head? I don't know!

SPEAKER_02:

Because I try to block it out. I feel like John Corbett's a very attractive man, but the way they style him for Aiden on the show is just... You

SPEAKER_00:

got nothing on him. Except his personality.

SPEAKER_02:

Anyway, I'll see you on May 29th and just like that because you know your girl's going to be watching it. We got a Wednesday trailer today for season two. Did you watch it

SPEAKER_01:

yet?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, we got that coming. That's going to be in two parts, August and September.

SPEAKER_00:

Why

SPEAKER_02:

they won't give it to us in October, I'll never know. Are you booing Wednesday or the two parts?

SPEAKER_00:

Two parts.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah,

SPEAKER_00:

that's terrible. And also not giving it to us in October. What?

SPEAKER_02:

Still, still no date on Strange New Worlds.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm getting stressed out. I'm stressed out about this. I'm stressed out. We've heard

SPEAKER_02:

rumors of August, but I'm like, people are making announcements. It's

SPEAKER_00:

really, like, honestly close enough to August that if you're going to put it on in August, you probably should go ahead and say that.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, yeah. I mean, just like they said Wednesday on Netflix.

SPEAKER_00:

So I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

We still haven't watched Suits LA yet, y'all. This isn't looking good for it. We will eventually. We just haven't.

SPEAKER_00:

All right.

SPEAKER_02:

We've been watching Everybody Loves Raymond instead.

SPEAKER_00:

We talked about it briefly before in a few minutes ago, but let's go. What are we doing Friday or Saturday?

SPEAKER_02:

Whatever day permits. We are seeing Revenge of the Sith.

SPEAKER_00:

That is Star Wars Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith. It's my favorite. The second best Star Wars

SPEAKER_02:

movie. It's the best Star Wars movie. My favorite Star Wars movie.

SPEAKER_00:

Actually, the third best Star Wars movie. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02:

It is the best. Number one Star Wars movie. The best ever. My first Star Wars movie I ever saw in theaters. This is back 20 years ago. on release dates you couldn't just you know now you can just go at like thursday at like 6 p.m they made you wait till midnight We saw it at midnight. We actually saw it with my sister, my brother-in-law, some friends of theirs. I think my brother was there too. Y'all, I got on the news. I got interviewed for the newspaper. Now, back then, I would correct my choice. Well, I hadn't seen this movie yet, but I was quoted in the paper as saying that Return of the Jedi was my favorite Star Wars movie because I think I was like, because Darth Vader like becomes even a simp then for Anakin. Like, I think now of the OGs, like I do have to admit, Empire is probably collectively better. better. That would be my second favorite Star Wars movie. I see where you guys are coming from. But I do really like how everything comes full circle at the end and Vader has redemption.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, now that I think about it a lot, Revenge of the Sith is my fourth best Star Wars movie.

SPEAKER_02:

What's your... So you go Empire... Then tell me, you go Empire, Return of the Jedi, A New Hope, or you go... Or do you like whiny Luke in A New Hope?

SPEAKER_00:

Empire. Probably still Jedi. New Hope.

SPEAKER_02:

Jedi has the Leia look you have in it, right? No, that's Empire.

SPEAKER_00:

That's Empire. Man, that's Empire. Come on. The hottest that Princess Leia ever was.

SPEAKER_02:

Even over the bikini.

SPEAKER_00:

Ever was. Was in that first opening scenes of Empire Strikes Back when she's in that white outfit.

SPEAKER_02:

But that's also where we get the kiss with her and Han. Love it. Okay, so you go Empire, Return of the Jedi, and New Hope. So what is your fourth?

SPEAKER_00:

Revenge of the Sith. Revenge of the Sith. I said fourth. If

SPEAKER_02:

you're one of those, Daniel, if you want to cling

SPEAKER_00:

to the... It's fighting out barely with The Last Jedi.

SPEAKER_02:

And

SPEAKER_00:

now I know I've said something really controversial.

SPEAKER_02:

You want to be one of those old-in-time Star Wars fans that's always going to rank the OGs above. I go... Because they're better movies. Revenge of the Sith is number one. Empire is number two. And then I start to get fuzzy because I'll admit I'm a prequel gal. I think they have a beginning, middle, and an end. I think they're more fleshed out. I like them. I don't mind. I like the midichlorians or whatever the heck they're called. I don't care. And

SPEAKER_00:

I just love Anakin. Nobody likes those. You're incorrect. Nobody likes the midichlorians. I used

SPEAKER_02:

to like Jar Jar until I went back and rewatched and was like, okay, he is. But I think it's because I was younger when I watched it. I think it's like Barney's Ewok Theory from that terrible show, Himes. met your mother like do you like like the Ewoks

SPEAKER_00:

100% there are people older people that when they saw that movie hated the Ewoks younger kids like us loved them and that's just how that stands

SPEAKER_02:

but I still like I like the actor that plays Jar Jar I think people are extremely cruel to him so Jar Jar's fine it's it almost seems it's almost like shocking like how much less they gave him to do I feel like the Phantom Menace is like great like Battle of the what is it called like Duel of the Fates

SPEAKER_00:

Duel of the Fates

SPEAKER_02:

amazing like that whole entire like sequence it's like the prequels are great i love the prequels i will always stand by and fight for the prequels i remember when i first started watching the star wars movies on that tragically small tv in my college dorm i turned to daniel and i was like i hadn't seen revenge of the sith yet either and i was like i like these ones better and you were like If you could have just smacked a woman, you were like, what?

SPEAKER_01:

God.

SPEAKER_02:

You were like, but now you come around. You like their prequels a lot. But I think it was very cool back then to hate on the prequels. Yes. It was very cool. And I'm sure there's going to be people that are going to stay in the sequel someday, like younger

SPEAKER_00:

guys. I mean- It was cool to hate Star Wars in general when the prequels were coming out. Before the prequels were coming out, it was cool just to hate Star Wars as some nerdy, geeky, dorky thing that people liked. But yes, within the Star Wars community... Which I have been excommunicated from for quite a long time. I'm still in it. It was cool to hate the prequels after

SPEAKER_02:

Phantom Menace. But now we've had these conversations and you're like, I can totally see why. You've said this. You've admitted this. You're like, why you liked the prequels better. I get it. I enjoyed them more. The pacing was better. It was more enjoyable. I still love Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie. I love everything about them. But I think looking back at the lore that I've gotten into, I can tell that George Lucas made some crap. I like how we're hijacking this into a Star Wars podcast. I like The Last Jedi too, but it doesn't fit. It does not fit

SPEAKER_00:

with the other two. It lifts right out. But I see my problem. It doesn't try. I agree with you that it does not fit within that trilogy because none of the movies fit within that trilogy. And so I'm taking the absurdist approach to it. If you can't classify any of them, then I'm just going to pick the one that I think is the best coherent movie and say that's my favorite one and that's the best one. And it's like, I'm sorry, I can't help you that... Disney and Lucasfilm are cowards who just take everything negative that people said about The Last Jedi and say, well, we're not going to do any more of that stuff in Rise of Skywalker because they're cowards.

SPEAKER_02:

I think they're afraid to make certain characters in a negative light. Leia and Padme both had major flaws. Major flaws. Rey was perfect. No flaws. Correct. And I love Rey, but one of the reasons why I resonate so much with Leia and Padme is because of how deeply flawed both of them were. And I love I always I get really irritated when people call Padme weak. It makes me so mad. She's not the same way that Leia is. I always found that Padme and Luke are more alike in their approach. And Leia has her father's temper like like Leia and Anakin are more alike. Fight me. I will fight every single one of you. And I feel like Luke and I think one of the because Luke is so much like Padme. I think that's another way is how he was able to reach Vader.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, they all called that out in the end of the Obi-Wan Kenobi

SPEAKER_02:

show. And I felt so

SPEAKER_00:

seen. Obi-Wan Kenobi show.

SPEAKER_02:

I felt so seen. But we're going to get more Anakin and Ahsoka, too. That was announced. I'm very excited.

SPEAKER_00:

The rumor is. I love that

SPEAKER_02:

everybody's finally on board. Hayden Christensen went through some crap because y'all treated him terribly. And now everyone loves my baby Anakin.

SPEAKER_00:

You've seen the rumors who else is going to be in Ahsoka season two, right?

SPEAKER_02:

No,

SPEAKER_00:

who? Natalie Portman.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't. That's not confirmed, though.

SPEAKER_00:

It's not confirmed. No.

SPEAKER_02:

I could see them maybe like a, like a flashback, like a memory sequence because they've already confirmed that Padme cannot like return as a force ghost because she was not a Jedi. That's correct. So I would love to see Padme come back. I love, I think Padme and Anakin, like I obviously Han and Leia are like the fun love story. Like they did for the most part, minus their, you know, even as child, I'd say they worked out. They still love each other for all their flaws.

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Um,

SPEAKER_02:

But I think Anakin and Padme have, like, the most tragic love story, but also one of the most beautiful love stories. Because at the end of the day, y'all, Star Wars is one big giant love story. All this could have been avoided. He tried to do everything to protect the love of his life, and it just blew up in his face. And I can't wait to gaslight myself again into thinking that Anakin is not going to turn... I'm so excited to watch Revenge of the Sith. I think it's so special to me because you never forget your first Star Wars.

SPEAKER_00:

Dear listeners, thank you so much for turning into this episode. I am sorry that we had to talk about Star Wars for the last 10 minutes. I apologize.

SPEAKER_02:

It's your fault.

SPEAKER_00:

We'll see you next week. It's

SPEAKER_02:

your fault. Only a Sith would deal with absolutes.

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